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Vote on The Class structure Please
Have a P1 Class YES
16%
 16% [ 9 ]
Have a P1 Class NO
23%
 23% [ 13 ]
GTR Class @ 820PI - 850PI
12%
 12% [ 7 ]
GTR Class @ 785PI - 800PI
16%
 16% [ 9 ]
Have the CT Class Yes
16%
 16% [ 9 ]
Have the CT Class No
7%
 7% [ 4 ]
Keep the Series AS IS
10%
 10% [ 6 ]
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:40 pm

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Tethras, just to touch on a note you mentioned earlier that certain cars are more powerful than others therefore the cars with less power are outclassed.  This is definitely not the case. More power USUALLY means more weight than a car in the same class. So it may scoot on the straights but when it comes time to brake and hit those corners and apexes here comes the less powerful car and in the end, the lap times are pretty close.

We are of similar skill level Pred.  Lets test the two types together.  Stock and then custom tune per the list you put up. Those classifications that you mentioned in the latter part of your paragraph would apply if these were regular modified production cars but all of these are purpose built race cars.
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:45 pm

I voted for the lower class, but I think it would be better to keep it as it is because of the low turnouts.
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:50 pm

May want to review the GTR list of cars & PI to see if you want to change your vote. study

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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:55 pm

The turnouts are not low historically. We always start out the season with close to 70 racers. Then what happens is people quit cause they can't jump in and just win because of the skill level of many drivers here. They quit because the races are too hard. They don't like that we enforce the rules or they got caught in those rules so they just wimp out. They quit mid season because they crash out or DNF and figure they have no shot at a championship so why race. Racers quit for many reasons which we can't control. Maybe with a larger class structure we will have a larger interest from a more diverse group and maybe bring in some new fish to the pond. Who knows this may have people stay longer through the season instead of dropping out.

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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:24 pm

CHECK YOUR VOTES PEOPLE THINGS HAVE CHANGED!

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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:10 pm

drop the PI to 585 to prevent speed cars in CT from dominating handling GS cars and that sounds great. remember there is 15-25 pi of horsepower extra in those bc of the lack of race tires so CT will have the same or more horsepower in the power cars. However I would love to run in the faster class in my lobby without switching to GT since i just dont feel comfy with in those cars.
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:41 am

Any chance of a Later Saturday race, with braking line allowed??. I know i don't have much say in it as i only ran a few races each season. Its just Sunday are to rough for me with working 3rd shift on the East Coast and not a ton of time learning each track with no braking line.
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:04 am

so i voted keep the same, what the hell has that become now?
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:27 am

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The turnouts are not low historically.  We always start out the season with close to 70 racers.  Then what happens is people quit cause they can't jump in and just win because of the skill level of many drivers here. They quit because the races are too hard. They don't like that we enforce the rules or they got caught in those rules so they just wimp out.  They quit mid season because they crash out or DNF and figure they have no shot at a championship so why race.  Racers quit for many reasons which we can't control.  Maybe with a larger class structure we will have a larger interest from a more diverse group and maybe bring in some new fish to the pond.  Who knows this may have people stay longer through the season instead of dropping out.
I agree with this statement, I for one have been around for 8-9 seasons and in the beginning could dedicate test/tune time to race, I don't have that luxury anymore. Picking a racecar helped a ton so the drop-out rate could be effected by the time investment needed to compete. You know what your going go get if we keep it as is, bring the racecars." />
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:53 am

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so i voted keep the same, what the hell has that become now?
Odd, it was showing as a poll question but it would not show as an option when I hit send. I had to create another question and leave it blank for the Leave AS IS option to show.

Well it's there now.

Science whats with this picture? I think this is the third time I have seen this picture of the brotha getting into the LFA posted on the forums.

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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:38 pm

CT cars are pretty fun to drive, many that would be on the list though arent practical though lol. I tested a ton of cars last night and found that the handling cars in GS worked best in CT. The few power cars i tried to test were miserable lol. However, they werent slow, just very hard to drive. Also the cars that i see people driving for CT would end up have around 350-450 hp 6.0-6.3 handling and they would be able to be about 5-10 mph slower in the straights (if the GS cars run with their aero all the way down). If a GS car ran with it all the way up they would get beat down the straight though. Also at Le Mans the lack of aero makes the CT cars able to reach 180-190+ I never did that in a GS car... Razz Not sure if they would be outright faster... but they might be at Le Mans.
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:29 pm

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oddball7000 wrote:
so i voted keep the same, what the hell has that become now?
Odd, it was showing as a poll question but it would not show as an option when I hit send. I had to create another question and leave it blank for the Leave AS IS option to show.

Well it's there now.

Science whats with this picture? I think this is the third time I have seen this picture of the brotha getting into the LFA posted on the forums.
That's me of course and I couldn't resist, one of the coolest days of my life, LFA on PCH!
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:16 am

The lap time spread between GS and CT isnt large enough. At most tracks they wouldnt encounter each other other than once either right before pitting or right at the very end. CT needs to be slowed down in the straights big time. They will out run a GS car in the straight and i have some that are *handling* cars for the class that will hit 200mph.
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:50 am

I think it should stay the same and let the rivalries that have build play out in one final season of the classic fscs. Just seems "right" to me. On the CT thing, if you ran race tires and 600pi, most cars would still fit and they would handle just under the gs class but be slower, which they should be. Have you tried that? I have a full grand am weeks built from st up to dp, my ct cars in gs are built this way and are a blast to drive. They are also nearly perfectly balanced. In order to fit a realistic Porsche in though, you may consider 610 or you will knock them out, as well as a few other cars.Hope this helps a little.
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:13 pm

Dr PiiHb, the main reason for bringing new classes to the series is to spice it up a bit. I know many who have wanted to race the Dedicated race cars that are in the proposed GTR class. So I think that should go over pretty good. The CT class is for the guys who like the Continental Tire Series style of racing with no Aero on the cars (giving the cars a more showroom stock racecar look).

SPEC Miata will be for those who want to run with assist. The line, ABS, STS, TC will all be available. The only assist that wont be available is brake assist. Spec Miata will also run on Saturday.

I am also strongly considering moving the Sunday races up one hour to 1pm PST and 4pm PST.

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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:30 pm

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I am also strongly considering moving the Sunday races up one hour to 1pm PST and 4pm PST.
Could we have a vote on this one?
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:06 pm

Though I am sure I am in the minority.....two words.....
FOOTBALL SEASON!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:16 pm

Oh, I know Roscoe. I know!!! I am reeeaddy for some foooootbAAAAAllllll!

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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:28 pm

this would help because my nfl drafts and stuff is at 9 on sundays
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:32 pm

ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:
Though I am sure I am in the minority.....two words.....
FOOTBALL SEASON!!!!!
The better football is on Saturdays anyway..... silent
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:15 pm

ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:
Though I am sure I am in the minority.....two words.....
FOOTBALL SEASON!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:50 pm

CT is kind of buggy so far. its going to need a lot of testing. i really like the idea of having GS run in a room with a lower class. However, the CT cars the way they are proposed right now wont ever encounter the GS cars during a race.


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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:15 pm

If this works the series could become a two day even like real series do anyways. Lower class racing on Saturdays with Sundays held for the main classes. That could be cool. Although I don't want to lose my caddy.
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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:40 am

Get your votes in before it's too late. The new class structure (if any) will be revealed soon! How soon...hmmmm stay tuned

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PostSubject: Re: Proposed Class Structure Season 11   Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:13 am

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CT is kind of buggy so far. its going to need a lot of testing. i really like the idea of having GS run in a room with a lower class. However, the CT cars the way they are proposed right now wont ever encounter the GS cars during a race.
That's only true because the faster CT cars, at least the few I have, are about a second or so off some of the backmarker qual times from GS. So having the fastest qualifying gs and ct cars in the same lobby you will not have ct cars challenging probably any of the gs cars in that room unless the gs cars are damaged.
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