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PostSubject: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:13 pm

March 6th 4pm. PST - Motegi, Japan
For the first time the Forza Sports Car Series travels to Twin Rings a track built in 1997 by Honda. The 4.8 mile road course will be a new challenge to the racers of the FSCS coming from the many elevation changes of Sedona to the almost completely flat track of Motegi will be interesting. The course itself is built in a stop-start straight/hairpin style; this less than flowing arrangement has attracted criticism from some. How will it fair for FSCS will be determined in grand fashion!

***Mandatory Pit stop on lap 16-19*** It is Madatory that you remain on the pit road during pit entry. If you try to straight shoot the Entry to the pits you will receive a time penalty of 15 seconds.

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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:28 pm

whats up with the mandatory pit?
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:51 pm

These races are intended that you will have to pit at some point or you'll run out of fuel so I'm guessing you can do 35 laps on Motegi without pitting and rather than adding more laps and making the race take forever hes making it mandatory.
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:41 pm

No mandatory pit is because the pit road can be driven throught very fast in a straight line to get into the pits to save time. The mandatory pit is so that the pit will be in the replay and can be reviewed for proper pit road procedure.

If A racer does not pit during that window the time will be added.
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:48 pm

What if you pitted earlier due to a crash? do you still have to pit again?
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:53 pm

just to let you know, the track is 2.98 miles long, you put 4.8.
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:27 pm

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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:10 pm

So many people dont understand how servers and hosts work in this game. Long story short, we need to choose hosts based upon connectivity rather than tem being a race official.

also gettin tired of a certain audi drivers bad attitude.
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:58 pm

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So many people dont understand how servers and hosts work in this game. Long story short, we need to choose hosts based upon connectivity rather than tem being a race official.

also gettin tired of a certain audi drivers bad attitude.

i dont see whats wrong with my attitude? nobody else complains except you, like you complain about most things.

also your connection is awful, its your car that people see flying around the screen and you say everybody else its there fault, just 'cus you see all there cars flying about that means YOUR connection is wrong, all of us kindly asked you to reset your modem/router and we will wait for you and you just get mad and speak over everybody, also why have you decided to hate against me and zed, i do hear your little 'british' remarks and i just laugh, please can you tell me the point of this chenstrap? your starting arguments that are pointless and you have been proved wrong, you lagged out half of your races due to YOUR connection, you can not accept your in the wrong, if i done something wrong i would say sorry and fix my problem, is it that hard you cant do that chenstrap?

ALOT of occasions your connection messes up or goes wrong, and i know alot of people will agree with me about your connection issue's you have also wrecked the field doing outlaps numerous times, e.g: maple valley, motegi.
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:01 pm

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So many people dont understand how servers and hosts work in this game. Long story short, we need to choose hosts based upon connectivity rather than tem being a race official.

also gettin tired of a certain audi drivers bad attitude.
Thisi s a last time i will respond to a Chenstrap post, every time it seems me you and Brad are in a room its nothing but hate between the 3 of us. It always ends up in insulting one another our making side hitting blows about how over powered our cars are, we are at the P.I Pred put us at, if you have a problem take it up with him not us. I think you need to spend less time spouting off on how over powered other peoples cars are and worry about yourself, you have all the P.I in gods creation but yet you seem to do poorly, worry about yourself and less about others Strap...
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:25 pm

ok. the best way i can see to settle these types of disputes is on the track. time to man up fellas and stop all the bull. complaining about HP or PI is a pointless discussion because the first is a choice during the build process of the car. the second the driver has no control over. Honestly its silly because one driver has much more PI than the other sooo its mute point. the lag issue is nothing to be taken personally! If anyone has connection issues then that is something they need to work out with their router or internet provider or settings. So if anyone is upset that they lag or whatever then do what is needed to alleviate the problem. we all want everyone to race, so if there is a way to help we will try or wait for whoever is having the problem. Rivalry is good if handled properly and professionally. keep it on the rack, keep the taunting and insults to yourselves and handle it respectfully.

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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:37 pm

How about I complain about the fact that, even though I am in third place in points, I stand no chance of winning this championship.

Not because of the car (it's been fast at speed tracks ex: Sebring)
Not because of the tune
Not because of the driver

but because of the PI I have been assigned. Don't tell me my car isn't supposed to be fast at speed tracks when you are the one who put me so far down in PI.

Let me settle this championship on the track. It is not you who should decide who has a chance and who doesn't.
Give me the PI to run similar times to Spurtle and Metal or take some away from them. Your choice.
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:07 am

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The Lotus Evora is a very handling specific car. On tracks that favor handling you won by a pretty large margin. Even at your adjusted PI you got pole on a tracks that were speed oriented twice. On tracks that are more HP oriented you have still done pretty well considering the lack of power. I understand your frustration but I will not just adjust your car back up because we are now on tracks that are more speed oriented. I knew (trust me I talked to a few people about the Evoras among other cars) this would be the case early on in the season. Many of us debated which cars would be better at each track and we ALL figured the Evoras to do well on any handling tracks and figured the Audi R8's and the Bugatti's to be the favored cars on the speed tracks. The tracks that were more balanced it was harder to decide. So what I am saying basically is that a go cart is really fast in tight tracks that have more curves than straights, the second you add a couple of long straight the go cart loses it's advantage and that advantage shifts to the car with more speed. Its a season so use your car to its strengths when you can because on other tracks your car (or any car for that matter) may not be as strong.
I see no fair reason to speed the car up so that it can keep up with the go cart as I see no more of a reason to speed up the go cart to keep up with the car. What I do is balance so that both when all is taken into account will work out over a 'Series' of races. If you are feeling frustrated maybe you should have chosen a more balanced car.

Your car is on pace after looking at qualifying and watching replays...The competition is simply tougher now. The last races Qualifying has been extremely close as has been the racing across all rooms.

I expect there to be complaints. I don't know about you but I always say..I been watching racing for more than 25 years, and I have never heard of racers not complain about competition adjustments. So, I see this 'sim' series as no different. I expect it every season. All I can do is look at the big picture and do my best to keep things level all while understanding each cars strengths and weaknesses over the course of a Season.

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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:21 am

If you guys want to discuss who lied and who said what to who about what and when then PM Each other. I will not allow personal arguments to dominate the forums.

I said I would delete them and I did.
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:07 am

For the first part you are basically telling me that i never stood a chance at the championship when the season started?

I thought you were creating balance?

If you had no intentions of allowing this car to compete for the championship you should have come right out and said it.

Oh and ask Metal, Spurtle, Bimmer, Gdub if being 1+ seconds slower than they are is competetive and see what they tell you. Silverstone, Suzuka, Motegi, Road America I stand no chance of competeing with Metal and Spurtle versus Maple Valley and Mugello where they stood no chance against me.

I was penalized for being too fast at handling tracks so where is my increase that makes up that difference at the speed tracks?

Where is MY balance for the two extra speed tracks?

Oh and my pole at Sedona was a complete fluke. It was a perfect lap and no one can run perfect laps consistantly.
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:01 pm

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For the first part you are basically telling me that i never stood a chance at the championship when the season started?

I thought you were creating balance?

If you had no intentions of allowing this car to compete for the championship you should have come right out and said it.

Oh and ask Metal, Spurtle, Bimmer, Gdub if being 1+ seconds slower than they are is competetive and see what they tell you. Silverstone, Suzuka, Motegi, Road America I stand no chance of competeing with Metal and Spurtle versus Maple Valley and Mugello where they stood no chance against me.

I was penalized for being too fast at handling tracks so where is my increase that makes up that difference at the speed tracks?

Where is MY balance for the two extra speed tracks?

Oh and my pole at Sedona was a complete fluke. It was a perfect lap and no one can run perfect laps consistantly.

Pronebird, you seem to not understand something. It is much easier for you to get a boost on speed tracks then it is for them to get a boost on handling tracks. With a significant increase in PI your car would be completely overpowered every week. If you had an increase in PI your car would be fine down the straightaways and still corner better than everyone else. But you seem to forget the PI speed cars need at handling tracks. For the most part, everones cars are maxed out handling wise. So how would pred have to balance that? By throwing HP at the speed cars due to your significant advantage.

Although you need some PI, you dont need as much that yoour asking for. Know you know how we felt at Mugello, Maple, and Iberian. And you swore up and down then that you didnt need a PI adjustment when you were finishing 4th on the speed tracks and winning the handling tracks, but you were pissed at pred because he didnt adjust himself when he finished 9th and 2nd. You have 2 tracks coming up that are highly in your favor, catalunya and Nurburgring (Which everyone calls a speed track even thouugh it has been won by a handling car twice and that car waas leading last season but crashed)
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:33 pm

No PrOnebird you being a second slower on a speed track is not blance for you. As well you being a second faster at a handling track is not a balance for Spurtle, Metal, etc. Where balance lies is over the course of a full season that there are speed tracks, handling tracks, and balanced tracks.

1. Sebring - Speed
2. Maple Valley - Handling
3. Iberian - Balanced
4. Silverstone - Speed
5. Mugello - Handling
6. Suzuka - Handling (with a hint of speed)
7. Road Atlanta - Speed
8. Sedona - Speed
9. Motegi - I would say balanced but it would be a fast balance.
10. Road America - Speed
11. Catalunya - Handling
12. Nurburgring - Speed, Handling, Precision, Speed.

And NO I am not telling you that you never had a chance from the beginning of the season. The Evora is obviously a fast car. What I am telling you is that I am not going to make a handling car faster on speed tracks and adjust a speed car so it's better on handling tracks. My job is to create parity across the season..NOT on a track by track basis.

Seriously you are complaining you are only 6 points away from first place?! Enough already.
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:28 pm

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No PrOnebird you being a second slower on a speed track is not blance for you. As well you being a second faster at a handling track is not a balance for Spurtle, Metal, etc. Where balance lies is over the course of a full season that there are speed tracks, handling tracks, and balanced tracks.

1. Sebring - Speed
2. Maple Valley - Handling
3. Iberian - Balanced
4. Silverstone - Speed
5. Mugello - Handling
6. Suzuka - Handling (with a hint of speed)
7. Road Atlanta - Speed
8. Sedona - Speed
9. Motegi - I would say balanced but it would be a fast balance.
10. Road America - Speed
11. Catalunya - Handling
12. Nurburgring - Speed, Handling, Precision, Speed.

And NO I am not telling you that you never had a chance from the beginning of the season. The Evora is obviously a fast car. What I am telling you is that I am not going to make a handling car faster on speed tracks and adjust a speed car so it's better on handling tracks. My job is to create parity across the season..NOT on a track by track basis.

Seriously you are complaining you are only 6 points away from first place?! Enough already.

First off chenstrap you can just stay out of this conversation. I'm not asking for 20 PI. I'm asking for 5 or 10.

How is Suzuka a handling track when I was stuck running in B room and the R8 ran away with it? Speed track.

Motegi was dominated by speed cars.

Road Atlanta, Sedona, and Catalunya are balanced tracks.

Oh and you aren't going to give speed cars PI for being slower at handling tracks, but you sure as hell are going to make sure that those handling cars are going to take a huge PI hit for being 1+ seconds faster aren't you.

You took 15 PI from me at Maple valley for being 2 seconds faster than the majority of the field, but when the field is nearly 2 seconds faster than I am at a speed track I get nothing? This, by the way, is a product of there having been only 3 handling cars competing this season. You do realize if there had been a few more handling cars the field would have been much closer right? I'm being penalized for being one of 3 people running handling cars.

You told me for Sebring that you were taking PI away and you expected me to make up anything I lost at the two handling tracks.

They've more than made up for that difference.

It was an 8 point lead going into motegi. Now it's double digits.

My car is only capable of 2:04s at Road America. Nearly two seconds from last years pole. Will I not see a PI increase if I am 3 seconds off pace?

Anyone else see the problem here?
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:57 pm

Pr0nebird wrote:
Admin wrote:
No PrOnebird you being a second slower on a speed track is not blance for you. As well you being a second faster at a handling track is not a balance for Spurtle, Metal, etc. Where balance lies is over the course of a full season that there are speed tracks, handling tracks, and balanced tracks.

1. Sebring - Speed
2. Maple Valley - Handling
3. Iberian - Balanced
4. Silverstone - Speed
5. Mugello - Handling
6. Suzuka - Handling (with a hint of speed)
7. Road Atlanta - Speed
8. Sedona - Speed
9. Motegi - I would say balanced but it would be a fast balance.
10. Road America - Speed
11. Catalunya - Handling
12. Nurburgring - Speed, Handling, Precision, Speed.

And NO I am not telling you that you never had a chance from the beginning of the season. The Evora is obviously a fast car. What I am telling you is that I am not going to make a handling car faster on speed tracks and adjust a speed car so it's better on handling tracks. My job is to create parity across the season..NOT on a track by track basis.

Seriously you are complaining you are only 6 points away from first place?! Enough already.

First off chenstrap you can just stay out of this conversation. I'm not asking for 20 PI. I'm asking for 5 or 10.

Youre asking that you be sped up by a full second a lap on speed tracks. 10 PI isnt going to do that.
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:58 pm

Chenstrap wrote:
Pr0nebird wrote:
Admin wrote:
No PrOnebird you being a second slower on a speed track is not blance for you. As well you being a second faster at a handling track is not a balance for Spurtle, Metal, etc. Where balance lies is over the course of a full season that there are speed tracks, handling tracks, and balanced tracks.

1. Sebring - Speed
2. Maple Valley - Handling
3. Iberian - Balanced
4. Silverstone - Speed
5. Mugello - Handling
6. Suzuka - Handling (with a hint of speed)
7. Road Atlanta - Speed
8. Sedona - Speed
9. Motegi - I would say balanced but it would be a fast balance.
10. Road America - Speed
11. Catalunya - Handling
12. Nurburgring - Speed, Handling, Precision, Speed.

And NO I am not telling you that you never had a chance from the beginning of the season. The Evora is obviously a fast car. What I am telling you is that I am not going to make a handling car faster on speed tracks and adjust a speed car so it's better on handling tracks. My job is to create parity across the season..NOT on a track by track basis.

Seriously you are complaining you are only 6 points away from first place?! Enough already.

First off chenstrap you can just stay out of this conversation. I'm not asking for 20 PI. I'm asking for 5 or 10.

Youre asking that you be sped up by a full second a lap on speed tracks. 10 PI isnt going to do that.

You don't know anything about the car, the build, or the tune. I know what the car is capable of and what it needs. You, a much slower driver/tuner, do not.
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:10 pm

Pr0nebird wrote:
Chenstrap wrote:
Pr0nebird wrote:
Admin wrote:
No PrOnebird you being a second slower on a speed track is not blance for you. As well you being a second faster at a handling track is not a balance for Spurtle, Metal, etc. Where balance lies is over the course of a full season that there are speed tracks, handling tracks, and balanced tracks.

1. Sebring - Speed
2. Maple Valley - Handling
3. Iberian - Balanced
4. Silverstone - Speed
5. Mugello - Handling
6. Suzuka - Handling (with a hint of speed)
7. Road Atlanta - Speed
8. Sedona - Speed
9. Motegi - I would say balanced but it would be a fast balance.
10. Road America - Speed
11. Catalunya - Handling
12. Nurburgring - Speed, Handling, Precision, Speed.

And NO I am not telling you that you never had a chance from the beginning of the season. The Evora is obviously a fast car. What I am telling you is that I am not going to make a handling car faster on speed tracks and adjust a speed car so it's better on handling tracks. My job is to create parity across the season..NOT on a track by track basis.

Seriously you are complaining you are only 6 points away from first place?! Enough already.

First off chenstrap you can just stay out of this conversation. I'm not asking for 20 PI. I'm asking for 5 or 10.

Youre asking that you be sped up by a full second a lap on speed tracks. 10 PI isnt going to do that.

You don't know anything about the car, the build, or the tune. I know what the car is capable of and what it needs. You, a much slower driver/tuner, do not.

I do know that when you were @ 705 PI u finished 4th on a speed track. At that race, at a much higher PI, u qualified a second slower than the driver who got the pole. Now, according t you, youre stillone second off the pace, and your more than 20 PI lower than what u ran at sebring. So how exactly will adding 10 PI speed you up by a second, when slowing you down 25 pi brought you down by a second?
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:13 pm

Because the tune is better, the driver is better, and Road America isn't Sebring smart one.
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:15 pm

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Because the tune is better, the driver is better, and Road America isn't Sebring smart one.

Your asking to be sped up on speed tracks in general. And your also complaining when there 2 handling tracks coming up.
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:19 pm

Chenstrap, do you not have anything else to do in life but to butt your nose in on EVERYTHING on the forums, i am not saying any more.
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PostSubject: Re: RACE 9 Twin Ring Motegi 35 Laps   Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:22 pm

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Chenstrap, do you not have anything else to do in life but to butt your nose in on EVERYTHING on the forums, i am not saying any more.

I am the type of person who speaks my mind brad. I thought you would have figured this out by now.
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