Should SPEC Class run Multi-Class with ST

POLL FOR SEASON X

I want to get some community feedback on this development of Season X
It was in the initial design of the SPEC class to fall into ST performance category with a PI of 530.
I did this to allow for ST and SPEC to be very similar which would not take away from the close racing ST Class has delivered while adding a lil twist to the mix.

SPEC is a completely different class and will have it's own points and championship.
If it would stay multi-class with ST it would be the similar to the current GT/GS.



Please take a moment to vote on the poll question.


Your voting should the SPEC and ST race multi class or should each class race independent of one another.

I think they should be intertwined but different pointe....as in i am spec qualified third in st first in spec i start third...

ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:

I think they should be intertwined but different pointe....as in i am spec qualified third in st first in spec i start third...

That would be fun. I would think it would make qualifying more important.

bigdutyDMomoney wrote:

ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:

I think they should be intertwined but different pointe....as in i am spec qualified third in st first in spec i start third...

That would be fun. I would think it would make qualifying more important.

make it so that the qualifying times are mixed? So that we all race every car for position but not for points? it would be strategic.

Exactly. An extra challenge, probably would create more passing opportunities. I can see why you could be on either side of this issue. I still can't make up my mind. I really liked seeing the photographs from the 16 car ST fields even if I wasn't racing in the class. I'll probably run a few races in ST next season though.

Also, as someone who's spend most of the season qualifying near the split between A Lobby and B Lobby, I do often wonder what kind of wheel-to-wheel racing I missed out on with the people from the other lobby.

I can see the reasons why people would want single-class rooms or multi-class rooms. I think multi-class rooms fit better with Pred's intentions for what the series is trying to replicate. Here's an idea: Double-file starts! One side for ST and one for SPEC. Or how about a compromise between the two sides, have some single-class lobbies and some multi-class lobbies.

i side with no, but if it was done where the fields were completely mixed as if they werent a different class and the only thing different than if it was jsut a bunch of guys signed up in an ST miata was that they were scored independently.

Like how they have those euro cars come over for the road atlanta race. they run competitively with their sister class but they are scored separately. im down for that system.

SaintedPlacebo4 wrote:

i side with no, but if it was done where the fields were completely mixed as if they werent a different class and the only thing different than if it was jsut a bunch of guys signed up in an ST miata was that they were scored independently.

Like how they have those euro cars come over for the road atlanta race. they run competitively with their sister class but they are scored separately. im down for that system.

That's how it would be. Like a sister class with delegate scoring but competing on the same course at the same time.

I'm honestly torn between the 2 to be honest. I would personally prefer it to be just like GS/GT where there is a seperation between the 2 classes. With the ST races being standing starts, if a SPEC car happens to be in front of a ST car and the ST car gets a better launch, plus on top of the ST car theorectically being faster than the SPEC car, would be the cause for multiple incidents throughout the season, but if the ST cars start up front, just like GT and the SPEC cars start in the rear, in sort of garuntees no collisions at start up. Just my .02

How about we ask Pred to organize an official ST-Spec Exhibition/Test race some time before the season starts so that way he can see first hand how it goes? We would have to wait til it starts to fill up but then we could figure it out first hand.

SaintedPlacebo4 wrote:

How about we ask Pred to organize an official ST-Spec Exhibition/Test race some time before the season starts so that way he can see first hand how it goes? We would have to wait til it starts to fill up but then we could figure it out first hand.

I'm with this guy.

I think that's a good idea as well. Fear of the unknown is a big factor

LSA has found a new setup that will flip all the scepticism....

After doing 3 test sessions in ST cars (base 520) they are a second slower than the spec miata. Its going to be interesting to see the spec race with the ST seeing as at base they are faster.

SaintedPlacebo4 wrote:

After doing 3 test sessions in ST cars (base 520) they are a second slower than the spec miata. Its going to be interesting to see the spec race with the ST seeing as at base they are faster.

i can vouch for this as well, however i think it will be safe to say that the wider, more open tracks such as sunset and indy GP will prove to be the spec miata's downfall vs ST

TDog2228 wrote:

SaintedPlacebo4 wrote:

After doing 3 test sessions in ST cars (base 520) they are a second slower than the spec miata. Its going to be interesting to see the spec race with the ST seeing as at base they are faster.

i can vouch for this as well, however i think it will be safe to say that the wider, more open tracks such as sunset and indy GP will prove to be the spec miata's downfall vs ST

not exactly, i tweaked the gearing and yanked out more down the straight than most of the ST cars i built. Its going to be interesting.

SaintedPlacebo4 wrote:

TDog2228 wrote:

SaintedPlacebo4 wrote:

After doing 3 test sessions in ST cars (base 520) they are a second slower than the spec miata. Its going to be interesting to see the spec race with the ST seeing as at base they are faster.

i can vouch for this as well, however i think it will be safe to say that the wider, more open tracks such as sunset and indy GP will prove to be the spec miata's downfall vs ST

not exactly, i tweaked the gearing and yanked out more down the straight than most of the ST cars i built. Its going to be interesting.

good point. working on the '95 mustang and at base 520 PI it was running within a half second of my spec miata, sooo its possible they'll be running alot closer than we think

TDog2228 wrote:

SaintedPlacebo4 wrote:

TDog2228 wrote:

SaintedPlacebo4 wrote:

After doing 3 test sessions in ST cars (base 520) they are a second slower than the spec miata. Its going to be interesting to see the spec race with the ST seeing as at base they are faster.

i can vouch for this as well, however i think it will be safe to say that the wider, more open tracks such as sunset and indy GP will prove to be the spec miata's downfall vs ST

not exactly, i tweaked the gearing and yanked out more down the straight than most of the ST cars i built. Its going to be interesting.

good point. working on the '95 mustang and at base 520 PI it was running within a half second of my spec miata, sooo its possible they'll be running alot closer than we think

The miatas will be slower at larger tracks. Even with longer gears they won't run like the mustangs and camaro. Some imports they may keep up with but there's a big difference in 200hp and 300+hp. Even considering the weight difference. Miatas have no torque either.

Dr PiiHB wrote:

TDog2228 wrote:

SaintedPlacebo4 wrote:

TDog2228 wrote:

SaintedPlacebo4 wrote:

After doing 3 test sessions in ST cars (base 520) they are a second slower than the spec miata. Its going to be interesting to see the spec race with the ST seeing as at base they are faster.

i can vouch for this as well, however i think it will be safe to say that the wider, more open tracks such as sunset and indy GP will prove to be the spec miata's downfall vs ST

not exactly, i tweaked the gearing and yanked out more down the straight than most of the ST cars i built. Its going to be interesting.

good point. working on the '95 mustang and at base 520 PI it was running within a half second of my spec miata, sooo its possible they'll be running alot closer than we think

The miatas will be slower at larger tracks. Even with longer gears they won't run like the mustangs and camaro. Some imports they may keep up with but there's a big difference in 200hp and 300+hp. Even considering the weight difference. Miatas have no torque either.

What do you consider Sebring? Their handling is crazy and their acceleration is very high. i sat there and compared times. The Miata is faster at Sebring than a base PI ST car hands down.

That is true but how many people are at base pi? Either way it'll be fun since the classes will be battling between themselves and each other. It'll come down to driver to see if st or spec is faster It'll be a blast.

Yeah but when the ST cars get more PI they will beat them in teh straight but still wont out corner them. It will be interesting but im a skeptic.

What do you consider Sebring? Their handling is crazy and their acceleration is very high. i sat there and compared times. The Miata is faster at Sebring than a base PI ST car hands down.[/quote]

i wont say that its faster than all the base PI ST cars, because i actually have the '95 mustang running just as fast as my spec miata, soo yea

TDog2228 wrote:

What do you consider Sebring? Their handling is crazy and their acceleration is very high. i sat there and compared times. The Miata is faster at Sebring than a base PI ST car hands down.

i wont say that its faster than all the base PI ST cars, because i actually have the '95 mustang running just as fast as my spec miata, soo yea[/quote]

i beat last seasons pole time in a spec.

Painted.....really?.... because at sebring last season EVERYONE was at base pi 10 lower you should have Stomped it ....

ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:

Painted.....really?.... because at sebring last season EVERYONE was at base pi 10 lower you should have Stomped it ....

EXACTLY. arent the Specs supposed to be slower The way i see it PI is given to drivers so that they can keep up with the fastest guy closest to base... so the entire ST field should get over 10 PI to be faster than Spec? doesnt make sense to me.