Season 11 Race 2 SUZUKA CIRCUIT

and you did it this week to a driver fighting for the pole....yeah i knpw im b add spelerr.....
Though my grammer is aporable ...
My facts are never wrong...hence FACT....
SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP

ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:

and you did it this week to a driver fighting for the pole....yeah i knpw im b add spelerr.....
Though my grammer is aporable ...
My facts are never wrong...hence FACT....
SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP

A fact is something that can be backed up by visual/physical evidence.  Seems like you have none. If I am wrong please post a replay and numerous pics to back up your claim or you admit your own fallacy. But i'm guessing you wont.  Ignorance and being ignorant is bliss to you, eh?

I figured out after the first part of the race in CT, that if I could just stay clean, I'd be able to keep my lead on Manuel.  ...and then I somehow managed to drift out to the ultra sticky crap when coming out of the last S!  Hadn't done that one time through alllll my practice laps.  It was a duel for quite a few laps after that but finally on the last lap I was able to put it all back together and get a small gap between us.  Thanks for waiting and letting us battle, Hired'.  Now I have to finally go get a belt so I can put a victory notch in it.  Having no mirror really was a handicap!  I could rely on the distance counter on the h.u.d. until I was caught up to and had no idea where or when a move would be made.  Great side by side and ZERO contact battling back and forth with Worm'.  Also, great job from the GS crowd as well getting through.

The worst part of the race?  Getting passed by GS right before he turned AI.  That almost lost me the race for sure.

I was also surprised that I was able to make 130R nearly every time, maybe one time drifting out slightly past the edge of the actual track AND maintain my lead....  We are supposed to stay between the painted lines with exception for driver error from time to time, correct?

How boring is to wake up and read post like this. Please ladies, focus on to win races or have a good one.


Incidents is always a topic of discusion of who have more fault or who is the guilty one that causes the incident, BUT leave this to race officials and wait for the final desicion before blow any heavy words on to someone.

I Know Leadfoot is not the most patient guy to make a pass, but that doesnt give Sgt a Go to start discussion like this until replay have been watched.

Ruptured Duck77 wrote:

We are supposed to stay between the painted lines with exception for driver error from time to time, correct?

I ran wide ay 130R and Spoon many times, but just passing over the white line, and many people dit it.

But, i saw many times dust and tire marks chopping the Chicane before the finish line.

Manuel CR wrote:

How boring is to wake up and read post like this.  Please ladies, focus on to win races or have a good one.


Incidents is always a topic of discusion of who have more fault or who is the guilty one that causes the incident, BUT leave this to race officials and wait for the final desicion before blow any heavy words on to someone.

I Know Leadfoot is not the most patient guy to make a pass, but that doesnt give Sgt a Go to start discussion like this until replay have been watched.

The replays are only 30 mins long maximum. As this happened on lap 20 it will more than likely not be in the replay

Manuel CR wrote:

Ruptured Duck77 wrote:

We are supposed to stay between the painted lines with exception for driver error from time to time, correct?

I ran wide ay 130R and Spoon many times, but just passing over the white line, and many people dit it.

But, i saw many times dust and tire marks chopping the Chicane before the finish line.

I had my inside tires inside the paint very close to every time, maybe not once or twice.  You however kept going 3-4 car widths wide on 130R over and over again.  Leaving the track means the entire car, not most of the car.  When you were close, I'd look back after getting through the turn and see you waaaayyy out track-right.  Its a BS line that you were selecting so you could keep your speed up.

Ruptured Duck77 wrote:

I had my inside tires inside the paint very close to every time, maybe not once or twice.  You however kept going 3-4 car widths wide on 130R over and over again.  Leaving the track means the entire car, not most of the car.  When you were close, I'd look back after getting through the turn and see you waaaayyy out track-right.  Its a BS line that you were selecting so you could keep your speed up.

Whatever!

I didnd win more time there, than chopin the chicane.

Sgt Tethras wrote:

The replays are only 30 mins long maximum.  As this happened on lap 20 it will more than likely not be in the replay

Well, in that case, what i used to do is to call the Race Officials and the people involved in the incident, and try to explain what happens, I Know is difficult, but can be done.

Manuel CR wrote:

Ruptured Duck77 wrote:

I had my inside tires inside the paint very close to every time, maybe not once or twice.  You however kept going 3-4 car widths wide on 130R over and over again.  Leaving the track means the entire car, not most of the car.  When you were close, I'd look back after getting through the turn and see you waaaayyy out track-right.  Its a BS line that you were selecting so you could keep your speed up.

Whatever!

I didnd win more time there, than chopin the chicane.

Thanks for admitting what I was saying. Makes it easier. As I said, I didn't cut the chicane. We are allowed to have 2 tires over the line. I didn't have my whole car off. Yes maybe once or twice I might have gotten farther over than I intended and even then, it was a very small margin, and most importantly not intentional.

Ruptured Duck77 wrote:

Manuel CR wrote:

Ruptured Duck77 wrote:

I had my inside tires inside the paint very close to every time, maybe not once or twice.  You however kept going 3-4 car widths wide on 130R over and over again.  Leaving the track means the entire car, not most of the car.  When you were close, I'd look back after getting through the turn and see you waaaayyy out track-right.  Its a BS line that you were selecting so you could keep your speed up.

Whatever!

I didnd win more time there, than chopin the chicane.

Thanks for admitting what I was saying.  Makes it easier.  As I said, I didn't cut the chicane.  We are allowed to have 2 tires over the line.  I didn't have my whole car off.  Yes maybe once or twice I might have gotten farther over than I intended and even then, it was a very small margin, and most importantly not intentional.

Just check the replay, I brake every single lap to take that turn, all of them, sometimes i run over the rumblestrip, and almost loose control, so instead of that i ran wide, and yes, sometimes I got wider, but sorry if you felted attacked about that.


Congartulations on your win, Champion!

6.4 - INTENTIONALLY CUTTING CORNERS will not be permitted or tolerated. The driver may be warned or receive a time penalty or disqualification. At least 2 wheels must be on the track at all times.

Now how we have been ruling on the 2 wheels must be on track at all times is this...
1 time is ok
2 times in a row, or two corners in a row is a warning
3 times in a row, or three corners in the same lap penalty
2 warnings = penalty
If it simply seems excessive a penalty will be given.

This applies to any corner of the track

So if you (any racer) went wide in 130R 3 times in a row you will receive a penalty. That area out wide is runoff area the beyond the curbing is NOT part of the legal and known racing surface.

There are obvious times when it's not counted...ie avoiding an accident, or if your car is heavily damaged and difficult to control a little more leeway is given.

Admin/PredatorUSMC wrote:

6.4 - INTENTIONALLY CUTTING CORNERS will not be permitted or tolerated. The driver may be warned or receive a time penalty or disqualification. At least 2 wheels must be on the track at all times.

Now how we have been ruling on the 2 wheels must be on track at all times is this...
1 time is ok
2 times in a row, or two corners in a row is a warning
3 times in a row, or three corners in the same lap penalty
2 warnings = penalty
If it simply seems excessive a penalty will be given.

This applies to any corner of the track

So if you (any racer) went wide in 130R 3 times in a row you will receive a penalty. That area out wide is runoff area the beyond the curbing is NOT part of the legal and known racing surface.

There are obvious times when it's not counted...ie avoiding an accident, or if your car is heavily damaged and difficult to control a little more leeway is given.

well, check the replay to see if I did it 3 times in a row, and beyond the replay ask Ruptured, seems I was on him all the race.

Cant we all get along?WE got all this snooty bootiness on here. Look. First ill start with Manuel and Duck. Duck, i respect that you were able to keep it cleaner than most. Thats always good. Now, ill say this, when you go wide at 130R your car wont accelerate very well. And there were times where i was going to end up with 2 wheels on the rumble which is cleaner and faster than going onto the grey pavement. But i chose to be safe and go out another 3 feet to put the rumble underneath the center of me because i have hit that rumble wrong and ended my race before. it cost me a few tenths because at the casino triangle i would be doing only 130 not my optimum of 137. Ill go ahead and take a look at the replay and see whats on there. But when you are racing and pushing you do make mistakes, go wide and all these things that may or may not seem like time savers may not be that and only the mistakes of pushing.

And to address the thing about the cutting of the final chicane. As far as clean-dirty lap indicated goes im pretty sure that once you go deep enough to make it a cut you end up getting clipped with the sticky sand. Might be wrong but i dont think in all my practice or race laps i was even able to angle my car in a way that allowed me to cut it and still not get stuck. Now, 2 wheels on a chicane is very common in all forms of motorsports though. Ill also go ahead and look for this.

On a side note. i had my mic unplugged when i came up to Manuel and Duck, and i had no idea if you were battling or if someone was lapping someone or what. I was chasing Hired like a mad man with no hope lol But i tried and when i came up to the two of you i tried to pick my spots and get by with as little disturbance as possible. I think i got Manuel coming out of Dunlope and you going into the hairpin. No idea you guys were so close for the win so late in the race.


@Pred: In GTR/GT in blobby Roca, Citizen and Myself had some major damage and i know on my end my car was intolerable and scary. A few people made mention that they were worried about penalties because they just couldnt keep it on the track as well as they would like. Of course after some laps we got use to the damage and were able to reign it in, but right after the damage it was like driving on ice.

@Leadfoot, Tethras and Predator: Was the back of the lobby rule enforced? Where if a driver is the cause of a restart they must go to last in their class or last of the room. Tethras here said that there was a restart bc of an accident caused by Leadfoot, now i dont have the replay, no one does, that if it was true than there would have been a larger gap between you two which may have alleviated some of the drama.

Now to look at the real issue. The driver making the pass does have teh responsibility of making it a clean one. The lead car is responsible for being safe as well though. Dangerous moves made to save a position are not permitted, such as blocking or returning to the track after having an off in an unsafe way. If a car is losing control than the car coming up to that car has to be as safe as possible. However, if anyone can correct me here please go ahead, i cant say i have ever seen a driver in real life get some sort of penalty for colliding with a car that wasnt in control at the time. Tethras did say that he was trying to set up for the next corner and was not in control very well when it happened. Racing incidences happen. Some think go left when they need to go right and boom! Races are over. Im just trying to give some real life examples to try and calm things down because not everything is a battle. Some things are mistakes that people want to place on each other. Normally when people go back and forth in such ways they are both at fault and they both know it so they try to push blame on each other. All incidences will be addressed as thoroughly as possible. Please PM myself or Pred if you have further inquiries.

SaintedPlacebo4 wrote:

@Leadfoot, Tethras and Predator: Was the back of the lobby rule enforced? Where if a driver is the cause of a restart they must go to last in their class or last of the room. Tethras here said that there was a restart bc of an accident caused by Leadfoot, now i dont have the replay, no one does, that if it was true than there would have been a larger gap between you two which may have alleviated some of the drama.

Now to look at the real issue. The driver making the pass does have teh responsibility of making it a clean one. The lead car is responsible for being safe as well though. Dangerous moves made to save a position are not permitted, such as blocking or returning to the track after having an off in an unsafe way. If a car is losing control than the car coming up to that car has to be as safe as possible. However, if anyone can correct me here please go ahead, i cant say i have ever seen a driver in real life get some sort of penalty for colliding with a car that wasnt in control at the time. Tethras did say that he was trying to set up for the next corner and was not in control very well when it happened. Racing incidences happen. Some think go left when they need to go right and boom! Races are over. Im just trying to give some real life examples to try and calm things down because not everything is a battle. Some things are mistakes that people want to place on each other. Normally when people go back and forth in such ways they are both at fault and they both know it so they try to push blame on each other. All incidences will be addressed as thoroughly as possible. Please PM myself or Pred if you have further inquiries.

I wasnt out of control until Lead Foot hit me the first time at 130R. After that I was hit by him again.

Manuel CR wrote:

Ruptured Duck77 wrote:

Manuel CR wrote:

Ruptured Duck77 wrote:

I had my inside tires inside the paint very close to every time, maybe not once or twice.  You however kept going 3-4 car widths wide on 130R over and over again.  Leaving the track means the entire car, not most of the car.  When you were close, I'd look back after getting through the turn and see you waaaayyy out track-right.  Its a BS line that you were selecting so you could keep your speed up.

Whatever!

I didnd win more time there, than chopin the chicane.

Thanks for admitting what I was saying.  Makes it easier.  As I said, I didn't cut the chicane.  We are allowed to have 2 tires over the line.  I didn't have my whole car off.  Yes maybe once or twice I might have gotten farther over than I intended and even then, it was a very small margin, and most importantly not intentional.

Just check the replay, I brake every single lap to take that turn, all of them, sometimes i run over the rumblestrip, and almost loose control, so instead of that i ran wide, and yes, sometimes I got wider, but sorry  if you felted attacked about that.


Congartulations on your win, Champion!

Champion?  I never said anything like I think I'm the best.  I know I won because 2 guys weren't there or pre-raced.  I didn't even get close to the pole time.

Sainted, having the rumble strip under the car is not the same as what I'm talking about.

I lagged out in GTR, that sucked. Was hoping for a decent race. Better luck next time, I hope.

@Tethras Noted. The statements were made to attempt to quell the arguing, not to pick sides or give the complete explanation.

@Duck, i wont lie and say that i never went wide on accident in GS. i had a few bad turn ins and awkward bounced on the inside rumble strip. But i was only near you guys for the end of one lap and then the beginning of the next. So i wasnt able to see anything. I noted tire marks on the grey surface, but all of them were arched in a way that suggested they were doing their all, full locked to the left to stay on the correct surface.

If i can find anything on the replay i will put it in the finalized report for further review.

Admin/PredatorUSMC wrote:

6.4 - INTENTIONALLY CUTTING CORNERS will not be permitted or tolerated. The driver may be warned or receive a time penalty or disqualification. At least 2 wheels must be on the track at all times.

Now how we have been ruling on the 2 wheels must be on track at all times is this...
1 time is ok
2 times in a row, or two corners in a row is a warning
3 times in a row, or three corners in the same lap penalty
2 warnings = penalty
If it simply seems excessive a penalty will be given.

Ok, so in my case on Lap 4, I went off Turn 1 and kept going along the grass as the GT cars went by.  Should I have stopped and waited?  Not asking that in a snarky way, legitimately asking what is the correct thing to do.  If I earned a penalty in the process, I can accept that....

I take Forza seriously, but mainly I´m here to have fun, and have some interesting races, no one puts food on my table or give me money for getting a win or clinching a Championship, I dont care if I get a penalty or a exclusion, I Know how to race, I Know what I do, I consider myself a clean racer, thats it.

I raced NO assist at ALL, with controler and Simulation Steering, and I would like Lobby be setted with Sim Steering to see some people going over rumblestrips and keep the car going as they do, you can notice who runs normal steering.


Will wait for Marshals desicions...


...Be good!

Tachyon Racing wrote:

Admin/PredatorUSMC wrote:

6.4 - INTENTIONALLY CUTTING CORNERS will not be permitted or tolerated. The driver may be warned or receive a time penalty or disqualification. At least 2 wheels must be on the track at all times.

Now how we have been ruling on the 2 wheels must be on track at all times is this...
1 time is ok
2 times in a row, or two corners in a row is a warning
3 times in a row, or three corners in the same lap penalty
2 warnings = penalty
If it simply seems excessive a penalty will be given.

Ok, so in my case on Lap 4, I went off Turn 1 and kept going along the grass as the GT cars went by.  Should I have stopped and waited?  Not asking that in a snarky way, legitimately asking what is the correct thing to do.  If I earned a penalty in the process, I can accept that....

If it was to avoid contact i, personally see no reason to give a penalty. Its something that if seen on a replay i would keep an eye on to see the re entry of the track and as long as it was safe then good, There couldn't have been time gained by waiting for the entire field to pass by to have the safest re entry.

It's pretty easily figured out. The rule is clear. How we handle it is makes it fair and simple.  

Two tires off is NEVER a penalty.
4 tires off is OFF the track. period
I have mentioned the exceptions. People do go off if they are avoiding something or someone.  Mistakes are made. But when the 'mistake' happens lap after lap then the racer should correct it or the rules will correct it for them.

@Tachyon  no you do not have to stop! Keep moving along and enter back to the racing surface when it is safe to do so without impeding oncoming traffic.

When I speak of rules I am not pointing a finger at anyone. Simply pointing out the rule and how we handle this weeks point of discussion. The Racing Surface.

Think about this if a racer cut's track and it is noted in real racing you will get a drive through pit penalty (especially if its repetitive)...this can cost 30 - 45 seconds.  Blocking is a pit and hold for 30 seconds in real racing!  So we don't give as heavy a penalty but if one is deserved then it will be handed down.

We do not penalize for racing incidents when cars contact one another. However, when a driver is negligent or it's obvious a mistake was made and it caused a more than slight contact then a penalty is assessed.

We try to use real racing as an example.

Tempers flare...(mine did when I got lag hit by GTdon) but we have to calm down and think about why we are directing our anger...we are racing not driving miss daisy.

Penalize everybody but me lol

AAR GTdon...If you would not have lag hit me I just realized I very well could have taken the final spot on the podium and got a third. If not then a 4th. I had just passed JPN and was pulling away and saw that I was making ground fairly quickly on Kamikaze1414 (don't know what happened to his Porsche)  I figure you and I were gonna battle for 5th or 6th. Had no Idea that 3rd was in reach...

But that is racing and why I always say NEVER QUIT cause I was still pushing. Had I not lost the left bank of the motor I would and could have been handed a podium spot!