Race 5 Sedona Raceway Club Circuit 50 Laps

Chenstrap, it's not about placing blame at all. It's about handling the situation appropriately. We just have to use them (ALMS/SWC) as an example and figure how we can best apply that here in our series.

A lag out is an engine blown. That has been the way it's been since season 1. A lag out into your own private race that you can finish gets you a time +.5 for everly lap you had to finish on your own alone.

So now for qualifying we just need to implement proceedure to handle that.

If you look at the lag out as an engine blown as you have. Then that car is moved to the rear of the field.

At the time I just gave a +2 second penalty. However, once I get the response from ALMS I will figure out a way to incorporate that into our series.

Admin wrote:

Chenstrap, it's not about placing blame at all. It's about handling the situation appropriately. We just have to use them (ALMS/SWC) as an example and figure how we can best apply that here in our series.

A lag out is an engine blown. That has been the way it's been since season 1. A lag out into your own private race that you can finish gets you a time +.5 for everly lap you had to finish on your own alone.

So now for qualifying we just need to implement proceedure to handle that.

You misunderstand my point. When an engine blows in a real race/qualifying, the blame can be put either on engine building or the driver, both of which are from the same team/organization. With us, we have to realize that lag outs can sometimes come from either the person who lagged out(bad internet) or the host(lag spike from the host). I do agree there should be a time penalty, but i think we need to look at this from a slightly different perspective than an engine blowout in real life, considering the advantages that getting a new engine for a race in real life has.

Chen...The point I am trying to make is that very simply lag does hit people very randomly here in our series. Just as a blown engine hits a racer very randomly in a real series. So in perspective it all balances out. And honestly lag usually can be attributed to bad internet that the end user can "usually" upgrade. (NOT ALWAYS). Anyway. I hope you understand the logic I am using here with this.

after every race there is aways a formal discussion about some one being screwed, lagged, and wrecking each other. Why? is it so hard to go thru the week to the next race and settle differences with a better show of sportsmanship no matter what happens in the competition. yes differences of opinion will rise which naturally creates the discussion. its fun fellas. thats all. ok pred send a lil cash outta his pocket but its still fun. i dont even remember the race after pred hit the nitrous bottles on me. yes PREDATOR HAS NITROUS!!!! or either i began to move slower and he got faster. but the nitrous works for me best. point of this is calm down. relax. ive been at the bottom of the scoreboard since sebring and ive had the highest p.i. since last season. and i still dont care about the win or lose. its the race. were gonna rub were gonna bump. the extension of how far those two go is solely based upon you and the other driver. ask the ferrari. gtr and ferraris dont mix well. its like mixing vodka orange juice and jack daniels. its not ending well. i had fun at sedona. congrats to hiredgun on his steal of the B lobby win. yeah he stole it. curve diving hoe. i seen the replay of what you did to phenom. nice move tho.

but come on guys. cant we all get along

Thanks Tech. As always we find little nuances that surface that help us to better define the series and rule package.

Still can't believe i ran outta gas though...

BIMM3RR wrote:

Still can't believe i ran outta gas though...

LOL....I think for that you should get a PI adjustment and upgrade your fuel...LOL

Tech Nasti wrote:

after every race there is aways a formal discussion about some one being screwed, lagged, and wrecking each other. Why? is it so hard to go thru the week to the next race and settle differences with a better show of sportsmanship no matter what happens in the competition. yes differences of opinion will rise which naturally creates the discussion. its fun fellas. thats all. ok pred send a lil cash outta his pocket but its still fun. i dont even remember the race after pred hit the nitrous bottles on me. yes PREDATOR HAS NITROUS!!!! or either i began to move slower and he got faster. but the nitrous works for me best. point of this is calm down. relax. ive been at the bottom of the scoreboard since sebring and ive had the highest p.i. since last season. and i still dont care about the win or lose. its the race. were gonna rub were gonna bump. the extension of how far those two go is solely based upon you and the other driver. ask the ferrari. gtr and ferraris dont mix well. its like mixing vodka orange juice and jack daniels. its not ending well. i had fun at sedona. congrats to hiredgun on his steal of the B lobby win. yeah he stole it. curve diving hoe. i seen the replay of what you did to phenom. nice move tho.

but come on guys. cant we all get along

I have to agree Tech that it fun but some of the accident could be avoided. More time i think ppl are upset because they spend some much time practising and tuning for the race and get taken out when the accident could have been avoided. I really enjoy this series and this is the reason I came back. But as much as I enjoy the series I still am a very competive person as most of these guys are.

I think what get me frustrated is you wreck someone and then drop out of the room. I have seen this happen twice and I don't think that is fair to the person's car you wrecked. I personally think that those ppl should be automatically suspended from racing in the next race.

Basicblaq wrote:

Tech Nasti wrote:

after every race there is aways a formal discussion about some one being screwed, lagged, and wrecking each other. Why? is it so hard to go thru the week to the next race and settle differences with a better show of sportsmanship no matter what happens in the competition. yes differences of opinion will rise which naturally creates the discussion. its fun fellas. thats all. ok pred send a lil cash outta his pocket but its still fun. i dont even remember the race after pred hit the nitrous bottles on me. yes PREDATOR HAS NITROUS!!!! or either i began to move slower and he got faster. but the nitrous works for me best. point of this is calm down. relax. ive been at the bottom of the scoreboard since sebring and ive had the highest p.i. since last season. and i still dont care about the win or lose. its the race. were gonna rub were gonna bump. the extension of how far those two go is solely based upon you and the other driver. ask the ferrari. gtr and ferraris dont mix well. its like mixing vodka orange juice and jack daniels. its not ending well. i had fun at sedona. congrats to hiredgun on his steal of the B lobby win. yeah he stole it. curve diving hoe. i seen the replay of what you did to phenom. nice move tho.

but come on guys. cant we all get along

I have to agree Tech that it fun but some of the accident could be avoided. More time i think ppl are upset because they spend some much time practising and tuning for the race and get taken out when the accident could have been avoided. I really enjoy this series and this is the reason I came back. But as much as I enjoy the series I still am a very competive person as most of these guys are.

I think what get me frustrated is you wreck someone and then drop out of the room. I have seen this happen twice and I don't think that is fair to the person's car you wrecked. I personally think that those ppl should be automatically suspended from racing in the next race.

Some tracks lend themselves to passing and some dont. Hazzards of racing, as Pred said in an earlier post re: Spurtle vs xX SCIENCE Xx, I had a run on the guy but he successfully blocked me. I now know how he races as such, I knew he would do somthing Bonzi-esque
to defend his spot and he did. I raced just about everyone in this series because of my eratic qualifying. And the reputation of some of us is well earned. For example, BIMM3R went to the back of the field because of an mistake, he was able to repass everyone with out incident. When he raced me it was clear he was faster and it was a matter of time before I either let him by or hold him up. Drivers like SPURTLE can sometimes be over aggressive, thats ok because I am going to give it back to him/them and race'em as hard as I can. Not to pick on SPURTLE, its just that we have had several close calls in the last two races. In conclusion, this is as close to real racing with respect to the issues raised as there are in a real series. On track incidents, dive bomb passes, lap traffic head-aches its all here. Just ask Massa how he felt when Hamilton poked him out of the way @ Monaco!

BIMM3RR wrote:

Still can't believe i ran outta gas though...

You can thank your team mate for pushing you across the finish line

ATOMS wrote:

I have to agree Tech that it fun but some of the accident could be avoided. More time i think ppl are upset because they spend some much time practising and tuning for the race and get taken out when the accident could have been avoided. I really enjoy this series and this is the reason I came back. But as much as I enjoy the series I still am a very competive person as most of these guys are.

Some tracks lend themselves to passing and some dont. Hazzards of racing, as Pred said in an earlier post re: Spurtle vs xX SCIENCE Xx, I had a run on the guy but he successfully blocked me. I now know how he races as such, I knew he would do somthing Bonzi-esque
to defend his spot and he did. I raced just about everyone in this series because of my eratic qualifying. And the reputation of some of us is well earned. For example, BIMM3R went to the back of the field because of an mistake, he was able to repass everyone with out incident. When he raced me it was clear he was faster and it was a matter of time before I either let him by or hold him up. Drivers like SPURTLE can sometimes be over aggressive, thats ok because I am going to give it back to him/them and race'em as hard as I can. Not to pick on SPURTLE, its just that we have had several close calls in the last two races. In conclusion, this is as close to real racing with respect to the issues raised as there are in a real series. On track incidents, dive bomb passes, lap traffic head-aches its all here. Just ask Massa how he felt when Hamilton poked him out of the way @ Monaco!

Wow, one of the guys who's figured it out!

As for a racer crashiing himself out or crashing another racer out completely then quitting out....to put it nicely I think it's a womans private parts move. I am annoyed by quitters of anything in life game or real. It shows a bad character flaw similar to a liar. But that's just me.

I did see a couple minor incidents at Sedona Club that were avoidable but were minor. No penalty was assessed but trust me I have a file on all. How else do you think I keep track of all this stuff!? Remember folks it's ok to race hard and be aggressive but not at the cost of crashing or damaging yourself or another racer. However if your being lapped let the faster car by by simply staying on your line and letting off the gas enough to let the passing car by.

Admin.

Admin wrote:

Wow, one of the guys who's figured it out!

As for a racer crashiing himself out or crashing another racer out completely then quitting out....to put it nicely I think it's a womans private parts move. I am annoyed by quitters of anything in life game or real. It shows a bad character flaw similar to a liar. But that's just me.

I did see a couple minor incidents at Sedona Club that were avoidable but were minor. No penalty was assessed but trust me I have a file on all. How else do you think I keep track of all this stuff!? Remember folks it's ok to race hard and be aggressive but not at the cost of crashing or damaging yourself or another racer. However if your being lapped let the faster car by by simply staying on your line and letting off the gas enough to let the passing car by.

Admin.

i will say though pred, you scared the hell out of me on new york because of this, just to prove your guys's point. New York Full, Camino Viejo Extreme, Sedona, I WRECKED MY CAR ALL RACES ( sedona was due to a computer being dumb but it is what it is lol )
BUT I FINISHED EM ALL< I EVEN TOTALED MY CAR AT NEW YORK< probably twice, but i still finished.... don't be that one guy everyone hates, just finish the race.
Besides being a quitter wont look good on a resume LOL

In those races, (excluding my pre race at sedona) I was getting passed and lapped, i tried to do my best for the team effort to hold a few people back a little bit, but when the time came and they had the line, i gave them plenty of room FOR INSTANT

New York
My car was trash, and i was just hoping i don't make anything worse than it already was, nor much of a hope considering i had 100% on everyside, but thats beside the point. Coming into the 3rd chicane, I was about 5-10 Car lengths between myself and Pred, and Pred had about 2-5 car lengths between him and pinguis. (might have butchered that idk) I though i was clear and i was planning on pulling to the side after the chicane to let them by before i even came close to the corner. i broke at my normal (not wrecked) spot, and was slow entering the corner, Pred being his usual self following a car, broke later than normal in an attempt to pass and was side by side with me entering that 3rd chicane. i was like holy shit are you really doing this? i kept to the right and let off the gas, pred kept to his sid and so did pinguis, and pred pinguis and i exited the chicane with no issue in that order.

Camino Viejo Exreme
I was chasing pred and bimmer down, i was sure i it was in my ability to catch them and take the win, but along came a ittsy bittsy grass spot on corner 1 and it grabbed me and i hit a wall which led to another, messed up my car and everything, puttered around letting a few people pass me and it happened again same damn spot i was so pissed, pitted and i was getting lapped, sucked big time, prone and gdub were racing way behind me but with a damaged car they caught up to me, prone got by gdub, and i saw it in my eyes to hold prone up as best as i could till gdub came back, i tried, but my damaged car was no match, especially there, he got around me in a few corners, with no incident. and so did gdub. along came the finish of the race, and being lapped and all, i saw it in my best intrest to wreck gdubs AI driveer since he had finished already but thats beside the point lol but seriously like Tech said

Tech Nasti wrote:

were gonna rub were gonna bump. the extension of how far those two go is solely based upon you and the other driver.

that is the honest truth, that it is

Man, I had to pass cause pinguist was hounding me every chance he got. I was hoping to squeeze by you and ping would have to fall in behind you and I could get some breathing room. Sadly it didn't work. My pick n roll failed. Thanks METAL... JEEZ.

just be glad i know how to avoid other cars, walls are a different story lol

ALMS Reply about qualifying and engine failure.

American Le Mans Series, Hello,

If a car changes an engine after qualifying, he will be sent to the back of the grid, even if he has put a qualifying time in already. The same is true if the car changes two or more tires after qualifying.
Hope this helps,

- ChristheIntern


(what we use for our version of lagout)

Admin wrote:

Spurtle wrote:

I would just like to go over racing etiquette.

#1: If you make a mistake and crash or lose momentum (such as hitting sticky grass), DO NOT pull back onto the track after going into the dirt. You have lost the right of way and MUST stay off track until the track is clear to merge back on. Think of it as a yield sign. You must allow traffic to clear before you merge onto the roadway.

Thank you.

Lap 5 Camino Viejo Extreme You may want to follow your own advice Mr. Spurtle. You went off to the left, xXScienceXx was coming down the hill with a clear advantage of speed and was about to blow past you...but when you were able to get it back on track you went directly into his racing line forcing him to hit the binders hard to not take you both out. Then on lap 6 you went off on the right in the dirt/grass about 45 seconds into the lap again xXscienceXx was prime for the pass but you came back on track and he had to avoid you as yall began to make your right hand double apex corner. Practice what you preach reverend Spurtle.

In the first instance my car was completely out on control and i was doing everything i could to not crash. Unfortunately when you have to drive a car this hard in order to have a chance sometimes there are going to be casualties around you. And when you are this awesome, the world has a yield sign to you.

Spurtle wrote:

And when you are this awesome, the world has a yield sign to you.

...unless you drive a spyker lol jk