International Ratings

So these rankings are based on results from the last race and don't include "body of work"? I'm just trying to figure out how I go from 8th to 60something by getting 7th (in a race I had no chance of winning). I think I should be ahead of anyone in the GS class since I'm leading the points and have the most race victories

Lol 40's make sense. Matt I just don't really pay much attention to them really but it does make for some humor

I have yet to figure it out also

Same, last week i believe i was mid 30s after a 2nd place finish, i finished 3rd this week and im in the 90s

Even if it did make sense, it doesn't take into account the fact that our cars are very different and different PI.

LOL, your an analytical bunch aren't ya.

Matthnt wrote:

So these rankings are based on results from the last race and don't include "body of work"? I'm just trying to figure out how I go from 8th to 60something by getting 7th (in a race I had no chance of winning). I think I should be ahead of anyone in the GS class since I'm leading the points and have the most race victories

lol, a lot of funny talk here. Guys, you are not the only ones being rated. There are 7 different leagues being rated throughout the week. Your ranking can go up or down even if your rating stays the same because of everyone elses changing ratings. There are new drivers being added every week too.

Ratings are purely based on your performance relative to those you race with. Matthnt, in ST you failed to finish in first place as the computer predicted you should have based on the fact that you were the highest rated driver in the race. Worse still you let hiredgun beat you who was rated 162 points below you and was only expected to finish 5th. But he did well, and got 2nd, and you got 3rd. This costed you 49 ratings points before your next race in GS class. Hiredgun gained 79 points for doing so well and beating a signifcantly higher rated driver, YOU. lol

In GS Class you were still the highest rated driver, and predicted by virtue of this high rating to finish 1st. And guess what? You had a horrible outing and finished 7th! Ouch! Not so bad if the other drivers were rated about the same as you, but, with the exception of hiredgun, everyone who beat you were all rated far lower than you were. You lost big for allowing that to happen -105 points dropping you to a rating of 2257 from a high of 2411.

I just think that it doesn't work when everyone's sitting at significantly different PI's but either way, I don't really care lol.

Raceboy77 wrote:

Even if it did make sense, it doesn't take into account the fact that our cars are very different and different PI.

lol, and this from the guy who said last week all the cars were relatively equal especially my Speedster? lol You need to make up your mind Raceboy.

The cars are not as equal as a spec series I admit, and do have advantages from one track to another, but the assumption is, over the course of the entire season and with the adjusted P.I. system equality will be assured in the end.

The computer ratings never need to consider what cars are in a series or their relative advantages or disadvantages. It isn't measuring the cars, it is measuring the drivers of the cars. If you picked an inferior car to compete in, that's on you. If you decided to get into a series where the cars were unequal, guess what? That's on you too. Best advice is, if you think a rated series isn't fair because the cars are better than yours, get out of it.

I can tell you this, as the year moves on, many people will be more discriminating as to what rated series they enter including me. I race in 8 different events per week right now, and not all of them are best suited to my driving skill or style. I do it to gain experience, and because the year is young, it matters not what my rating is right now. It will go up and down as it should, but once we reach about the half way point in May, I will be focusing only on those events that I consider are the best for me to maintain or gain ratings points, and hence rank.

AAR GTDon wrote:

Raceboy77 wrote:

Even if it did make sense, it doesn't take into account the fact that our cars are very different and different PI.

lol, and this from the guy who said last week all the cars were relatively equal especially my Speedster? lol You need to make up your mind Raceboy.

The cars are not as equal as a spec series I admit, and do have advantages from one track to another, but the assumption is, over the course of the entire season and with the adjusted P.I. system equality will be assured in the end.

The computer ratings never need to consider what cars are in a series or their relative advantages or disadvantages. It isn't measuring the cars, it is measuring the drivers of the cars. If you picked an inferior car to compete in, that's on you. If you decided to get into a series where the cars were unequal, guess what? That's on you too. Best advice is, if you think a rated series isn't fair because the cars are better than yours, get out of it.

I can tell you this, as the year moves on, many people will be more discriminating as to what rated series they enter including me. I race in 8 different events per week right now, and not all of them are best suited to my driving skill or style. I do it to gain experience, and because the year is young, it matters not what my rating is right now. It will go up and down as it should, but once we reach about the half way point in May, I will be focusing only on those events that I consider are the best for me to maintain or gain ratings points, and hence rank.

so in may you would have us leave fscs to race on your site? because this is a one league site does that mean you will leave ?....i could give a boo boo either way just saying that when you and fscs joined it was never brought up that EVERYTHING on track wasnt taking in to account for the rankins

ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:

AAR GTDon wrote:

Raceboy77 wrote:

Even if it did make sense, it doesn't take into account the fact that our cars are very different and different PI.

lol, and this from the guy who said last week all the cars were relatively equal especially my Speedster? lol You need to make up your mind Raceboy.

The cars are not as equal as a spec series I admit, and do have advantages from one track to another, but the assumption is, over the course of the entire season and with the adjusted P.I. system equality will be assured in the end.

The computer ratings never need to consider what cars are in a series or their relative advantages or disadvantages. It isn't measuring the cars, it is measuring the drivers of the cars. If you picked an inferior car to compete in, that's on you. If you decided to get into a series where the cars were unequal, guess what? That's on you too. Best advice is, if you think a rated series isn't fair because the cars are better than yours, get out of it.

I can tell you this, as the year moves on, many people will be more discriminating as to what rated series they enter including me. I race in 8 different events per week right now, and not all of them are best suited to my driving skill or style. I do it to gain experience, and because the year is young, it matters not what my rating is right now. It will go up and down as it should, but once we reach about the half way point in May, I will be focusing only on those events that I consider are the best for me to maintain or gain ratings points, and hence rank.

so in may you would have us leave fscs to race on your site? because this is a one league site does that mean you will leave ?....i could give a boo boo either way just saying that when you and fscs joined it was never brought up that EVERYTHING on track wasnt taking in to account for the rankins

Not at all, you can do what you like. FSCS will no doubt still be a rated event. But if you are going to cry foul (and I'm not) that the cars are not equal or the format isn't equal, maybe you should move on to one of the other 12 rated series events that are out there that you feel may be better for you and your chances.

Fxxk ranks, keep racing fun!

On a separate note... Virtual Motorsports has the biggest of the big names in sim/FM racing. If there is a competitive place to be, its THERE. They offer moniez. And unicorns! Oh and T10 DLC codes.
Wanna lil' girl about this kinda stuff, do it there where it actually means half a Boo boo.

BVR Swan wrote:

Fxxk ranks, keep racing fun!

On a separate note... Virtual Motorsports has the biggest of the big names in sim/FM racing. If there is a competitive place to be, its THERE. They offer moniez. And unicorns! Oh and T10 DLC codes.
Wanna lil' girl about this kinda stuff, do it there where it actually means half a Boo boo.

...and we rate them too.

Exactly my point.

I used to race at VM but those guys got a lot of bad rep... lots of talk about modded cars and other sly dealings on that site. i started there but half a season into their hatch league i left and came here where i feel like i fit better. VM might be one of the largest if not the largest racing associations on forza, but that doesnt make it the best. Kind of like walmart... its large but still sells crappy albeit very cheap products.

SaintedPlacebo4 wrote:

I used to race at VM but those guys got a lot of bad rep... lots of talk about modded cars and other sly dealings on that site. i started there but half a season into their hatch league i left and came here where i feel like i fit better. VM might be one of the largest if not the largest racing associations on forza, but that doesnt make it the best. Kind of like walmart... its large but still sells crappy albeit very cheap products.

I think I will take that as a compliment. I or the series don't get many of those Mostly complaints

Admin/PredatorUSMC wrote:

SaintedPlacebo4 wrote:

I used to race at VM but those guys got a lot of bad rep... lots of talk about modded cars and other sly dealings on that site. i started there but half a season into their hatch league i left and came here where i feel like i fit better. VM might be one of the largest if not the largest racing associations on forza, but that doesnt make it the best. Kind of like walmart... its large but still sells crappy albeit very cheap products.

I think I will take that as a compliment. I or the series don't get many of those Mostly complaints

It is a compliment

Welp where there are more people, there is more [opportunity for] corruption. 1 in 100 here and 10 in 1000 there are the same statistically yet still visibly more.

Also their prizes are well more than enough to encourage cheating.

BVR Swan wrote:

Welp where there are more people, there is more [opportunity for] corruption. 1 in 100 here and 10 in 1000 there are the same statistically yet still visibly more.

This is true, and yet, when they were offerred to be given the list of known cheaters, some of whom compete in their series, they declined. We keep a secret list that is shared between leagues that names cheaters, trouble makers, and those that appear to be. This sort of cross-league cooperation enables us to police the league community and keep things clean and fun for the rest of us. VM's attitude (for whatever reason) is that they and their members are above this, and are in no need of such a list.

Maybe they don't care and welcome the cheaters.

just a joke, i don't pay attention to it, my opinion only .

lol they are like any "successful" organization. they rather pretend it doesnt exist rather than make a stink and spoil their name.

http://ifca.highforum.net/t5185-2013-ifca-forza-league-racers-world-rankings-list

They are elitists. And rightfully so. They do have some of the most forza famous racers and clans. However those types turn a blind eye generally because it detracts from their lime light. Can't be reputable if you work for an irreputable company right? As backwards as it sounds, they turm the blind eye because it improves ratings to simply keep in the competition instead of cutting numbers. A funny thing, humanity is.