Race 2 Maple Valley Raceway 40 Laps

Well, folks we are about to head into a couple of weeks without a race. I hope everyone stays sharp. The points are tight and the racing has been pretty good across the field. As is always we will have those who quit simply because they are not winning and others who just don't have the desire to finish what they start also because they are not in 1st. (sadly)

The two week break I am gonna guess we will lose a couple and gain a couple (I will be advertising for more racers)
Don't forget the Bonus Prize if you make all the races.

Congrats Pr0nebird for a spectacular showing of what the Lotus Evora Type 124 can do with a pole 2 seconds faster than the field! It was much faster at Sebring than I thought it would be and you flat dominated at Maple Valley. Great race to everyone in A room. B room was pretty good until the BIG CRASH took a couple of people out.

HARD CHARGER Bonus Point goes to ArcAngel Shogun who went from qualifying 22 to finishing 12th!

Thanks to everyone who helps and host rooms. The series obviously could not continue without your help. To the racers who have made it so far and will be here to the end my hats off to you and I say the season is only beginning and I see some rivalries going and point battles developing. It's getting interesting.

I will watch all replays and the Website will be updated with points and PI adjustments shortly after.

Thanks to All and great racing!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to ALL!

Admin

any idea when results will be posted?

hot shot 330 p4 wrote:

Good race guys, Nascar if I had to crash that is the way I would want to crash lol.

hahahahahahah i wouldnt want it any other way. Im going for the seasons best crash now, its going to be hard to beat that one. lol

Admin wrote:

HARD CHARGER Bonus Point goes to ArcAngel Shogun who went from qualifying 22 to finishing 12th!

Oh man, I was hoping I'd get that going from 19th to 11th but I for got all about Shogun. Congrats!

Happy holidays all.

Nice Race Wilkerson, almost thought you were going to take staying out as long as you did.

Website has been updated with points, PI adjustments and a few more racer bio pictures.

Stay Tuned may have a holiday contest to keep things interesting.

It looks like every point is crucial across the board. After watching all the replays it appears the most of the damage was self inflicted and the racing was pretty clean. I did see a couple of small race incidents that were minor and of no fault..,There was some lag that probably contributed also.

Just a couple of things I would like to point out or update.

First, the HP on my car is the same as EZT PDILLY's or 414 HP.

Second, my car is listed as something other than what it is actually--Pagani Zonda C12.

Finally, we were told in the race Sunday evening that the next race is Sunday after Christmas. However, the schedule states Race 3 will be at Iberian on January 9th. Is this correct or is it December 26th?

When in doubt go by the schedule. We have a holiday break because a lot of people have family in town or are traveling for the holidays. Normally we have a race every Sunday with the exception here and there.

The other items I will take care of when I get back home this evening. I may host an "invitational" race this Sunday for those interested. Stay tuned for details

Admin wrote:

When in doubt go by the schedule. We have a holiday break because a lot of people have family in town or are traveling for the holidays. Normally we have a race every Sunday with the exception here and there.

The other items I will take care of when I get back home this evening. I may host an "invitational" race this Sunday for those interested. Stay tuned for details

I guess when I get my next top 2 finish I'll have to remember to clear the field by 36 seconds from a lower room and not 1:05 seconds in A room.

THIS WILL NOT LOSE YOU PI. NOTED.

Spurtle wrote:

I guess when I get my next top 2 finish I'll have to remember to clear the field by 36 seconds from a lower room and not 1:05 seconds in A room.

THIS WILL NOT LOSE YOU PI. NOTED.

Only person that needs a notable PI decrease is pronebird. Pred ALWAYS runs fast at maple and thats because his ferrari is good around there. I mean, his average finish around that track is like 3rd. Pronebird is the only one who needs to be slowed down. Because although Pronebird is fast, his evora is gettiing him around tracks like maple 2 seconds faster than anyone else.

Also, predator: me and LBAW Grandsport have the same number.

My mind does not have the intelligence to comprehend your brilliance. I bow down to you sir.

Please let me make this perfectly clear before I comment. I have no problem with the 15 pi hit.


With that said how can you justify 2nd and 3rd place not taking a hit there. I make have run 2 seconds faster than the field, but Grandsport also ran a 24.3 during the race and predator beat him. Common sense also tells me that predator probably ran close to this time and that is still 1 second plus faster than the rest of the field.

Oh and if it were the car that were so fast then I would have been beaten by the other evoras that have so much more pi right Chenstrap? It just isn't that I am a good tuner and a fast driver right. Freaking insulting.

Pr0nebird wrote:

Please let me make this perfectly clear before I comment. I have no problem with the 15 pi hit.


With that said how can you justify 2nd and 3rd place not taking a hit there. I make have run 2 seconds faster than the field, but Grandsport also ran a 24.3 during the race and predator beat him. Common sense also tells me that predator probably ran close to this time and that is still 1 second plus faster than the rest of the field.

Oh and if it were the car that were so fast then I would have been beaten by the other evoras that have so much more pi right Chenstrap? It just isn't that I am a good tuner and a fast driver right. Freaking insulting.

I said in my post that you were fast in general. At no point did i say "Pronebirds ONLY fast in the evora." but there is no way you would have been running THAT much faster then everyone else had you been in one of the other cars. Would you have been faster? maybe. But theres no way you would have been 2 seconds faster per lap like you were.

So, maybe instead of getting insulted, you should have read past the second sentence in my post. You know, the part where i say pronebird is fast but that his evora is easily the fastest car in the series. Im not trying to insult you by any means. so please dont think i am.

Fine whatever.

Just please explain to me why 2nd and 3rd don't deserve pi hits when they run laps 1+ seconds faster than the field?

Pr0nebird wrote:

Fine whatever.

Just please explain to me why 2nd and 3rd don't deserve pi hits when they run laps 1+ seconds faster than the field?

The rest of the field for the most part got adjusted upwards. Maybe pred and Grandsport need to be adjusted down, but we also need look at the fact that maple is a handling track. the evora and 458 are good around there. I dont think they will be as sominant at tracks in the future. speed cars dominated Sebring, handling cars dominated maple. times will probably be closer in the future. I just dont think they need something significant.

NASCAR

Thank you NASCAR.

The point is simply this: Prone deserves a pi hit. However, so does pred and grandsport along the same logic. They were uncatchably fast and the point of using the pi system is to bring everyone together, taking into account where cars will be fast and where they won't be slow.

If you were to say that prone deserves the hit because iberian is also a handling track, then so does pred and grandsport. If the logic is reversed, then we already set he precident by penalizing a speed car before a handling track. Quite simply, let's even out the field 5-10 at a time, not drastically separating 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Spurtle wrote:

Thank you NASCAR.

The point is simply this: Prone deserves a pi hit. However, so does pred and grandsport along the same logic. They were uncatchably fast and the point of using the pi system is to bring everyone together, taking into account where cars will be fast and where they won't be slow.

If you were to say that prone deserves the hit because iberian is also a handling track, then so does pred and grandsport. If the logic is reversed, then we already set he precident by penalizing a speed car before a handling track. Quite simply, let's even out the field 5-10 at a time, not drastically separating 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

I say prone deserves the hit because the evora is the best car in the series. Also, pred finished 9th @ sebring, prone finished 4th. Pred was fast around maple, but he wont be as dominant around other tracks. Pred is always fast around maple. Look at his finishes in past seasons. He does not need a large PI hit like youre talking.

Chenstrap I appreciate your input. I just have a problem with pred saying he wasn't go to give himself a pi hit immediately after the race. It sets a double standard. I'm sorry for causing a stink, nor am I trying to play favorites, but I just want to see fair treatment for all.

With that being said I do give pred a lot of credit, as you can't please everyone. It's a tough job, and I'm glad I'm not the one doing it.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if things even out like they should...

Spurtle wrote:

Chenstrap I appreciate your input. I just have a problem with pred saying he wasn't go to give himself a pi hit immediately after the race. It sets a double standard. I'm sorry for causing a stink, nor am I trying to play favorites, but I just want to see fair treatment for all.

With that being said I do give pred a lot of credit, as you can't please everyone. It's a tough job, and I'm glad I'm not the one doing it.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if things even out like they should...

Yup.

Allright guys, im redoin my livery. What should my title sponsor be?

Ok here is the logic. I have been 'adjusting' the cars for a while now (and watching professional racing for over 25 years) and in my experience here is what I learned that maybe you folks are NOT thinking about. There are many more factors that determine finishing position other than strictly speed of car and driver that come into play.
For example, 4 of the faster cars in A room took themselves out of contention. Because they were fast and crashed doesn't mean they are not capable. Just means they screwed up. Another example, i know that iTsZ BrAdsZ is fast but is having a bad run to start. He is capable of winning as is his car so he gets no adjustment, he and his teammate simply have to get it together. PredatorUSMC went from 9th on the grid qual to second because many a room racers took some form of damage that slowed them down. The Ferrari took none until lap 22 and that was 2% engine damage which then pitted next lap back to 0% then touched a wall on lap 37 but only minor damage.

The point of this long post is to say this. In the 'other' series you run in prone and spurtle it is just a simple first gets you a hit and last gets you a gain. This formula is not effective to me. Many more factors to consider to equalize the field effectively.

Other things to think about..The Evora is not a fast straight line top end car, yet on sebring pr0nebird managed to really be fast, then on the track where he 'should' have been fast he dominated. So there is an obvious disparity there that needs to be addressed and was. You may need to broaden your scope of just first and second etc.. and look at the BIG picture because that is what I do.

Right now there are many who could win a race if they would not crash, flip, hit walls etc. if the top 10 all crash out and the 14th racer wins by 2 minutres should he get a decrease? umm no. He was obviously slower but ran cleaner or a smarter race.

PredatorUSMC lap times averaged 1:25.6-1:26.1 the laps were very consistent with almost no error and no off track excursions. After watching the replays (all of them) there were many who were running similar but just making mistakes, hitting walls, braking too late and going in the grass, etc. A prime example that comes to mind is BallHawgg. The Lexus LF-A was very capable of being top 3 but mistakes removed that ability. So he deserves a PI bump because he crashed out? nuff said

That's all the justification you get outta me.

Admin.

Admin wrote:

Ok here is the logic. I have been 'adjusting' the cars for a while now (and watching professional racing for over 25 years) and in my experience here is what I learned that maybe you folks are NOT thinking about. There are many more factors that determine finishing position other than strictly speed of car and driver that come into play.
For example, 4 of the faster cars in A room took themselves out of contention. Because they were fast and crashed doesn't mean they are not capable. Just means they screwed up. Another example, i know that iTsZ BrAdsZ is fast but is having a bad run to start. He is capable of winning as is his car so he gets no adjustment, he and his teammate simply have to get it together. PredatorUSMC went from 9th on the grid qual to second because many a room racers took some form of damage that slowed them down. The Ferrari took none until lap 22 and that was 2% engine damage which then pitted next lap back to 0% then touched a wall on lap 37 but only minor damage.

The point of this long post is to say this. In the 'other' series you run in prone and spurtle it is just a simple first gets you a hit and last gets you a gain. This formula is not effective to me. Many more factors to consider to equalize the field effectively.

Other things to think about..The Evora is not a fast straight line top end car, yet on sebring pr0nebird managed to really be fast, then on the track where he 'should' have been fast he dominated. So there is an obvious disparity there that needs to be addressed and was. You may need to broaden you scope of just first and second etc.. and look at the BIG picture because that is what I do.

Right now there are many who could win a race if they would not crash, flip, hit walls etc. if the top 10 all crash out and the 14th racer wins by 2 minutres should he get a decrease? umm no. He was obviously slower but ran cleaner or a smarter race.

PredatorUSMC lap times averaged 1:25.6-1:26.1 the laps were very consistent with almost no error and no off track excursions. After watching the replays (all of them) there were many who were running similar but just making mistakes, hitting walls, braking too late and going in the grass, etc. A prime example that comes to mind is BallHawgg. The Lexus LF-A was very capable of being top 3 but mistakes removed that ability. So he deserves a PI bump because he crashed out? nuff said

That's all the justification you get outta me.

Admin.

Any idea on whos changing their number? (me and LBAW Grandsport both have #50)

LBAW he is the Rookie.

Admin wrote:

LBAW he is the Rookie.

TY sir.