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PostSubject: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:13 pm

Season 12 PRE-SEASON EXCLUSIVE Test Track to Pre-Perfomance Balance Cars - Sunset Peninsula {R}

Race Weekend Format
Each Weekend there will be qualifying needed for grid Placement.
Non Qualifiers who show up to race will start with a 20 time delay.
Qualifying for P/DP & GTLM closes each race weekend's Friday Midnight
Qualifying for GT, GS, & ST will close at each race weekends Saturday Night Midnight.


Championship Point Structure
1st= 50 pts  /   2nd=47  / 3rd= 45  /  4th= 43  /  5th= 41  /  6th= 40  /  7th= 39 /  8th=38  /  9th=37  /  10th=36  / 11th= 35 /  12th= 34  / 13th= 33  / 14th= 32 / 15th= 31 /16th= 30
17th down each subsequent position decreasing by 1 point (to get any points you must complete at least 1/2 the race)

* 2pt bonus for Pole Qualifier
* 1pt Bonus for Hard Charger Award (Racer who gains the most positions during the race)
* 1pt Bonus for Fastest lap set during the race

2 Points for Qualifying / 10 Race Laps Guarantees 5 points / Complete 3/4 Race earn points for finishing Position / Complete 1/2 Race = 1/2 points for finishing Position

Class Structure and Race Days

Prototype (P) Daytona Prototype (DP) Restricted Racer Eligibility to racers who are able to Achieve Minimum Lap time of 1:22.00 on Sunset Peninsula Reverse
Grand Touring Le Mans (GTLM) - Same as Current GTR Cars
Grand Touring (GT) - Current GT Cars
Grand Sport Racing  (GS) - Same as current BASE PI 640 / 600HP MAX
Street Tuner  (ST) - Same as Current except AWD permitted / Race Line Allowed


GTLM & P1/DP Saturday 6 pm PST 50 Lap Races
ST Sunday 11 am 25 Lap Races
GS, Sunday  1 pm  35 Lap Races
GT Sunday 4PM 50 Lap Races
(LeMans 12 hours? 3 man teams working on logistics of this) Nurburgring Nordschleife Finale 20 Laps

Race Schedule
Set to Emulate the Tudor United Sports Car Schedule  
http://www.imsa.com/series/united-sportscar/schedule
http://www.forzascs.com/Schedule12.html

Sunset Peninsula Raceway {R} (Daytona)
Sebring International Raceway
Bernese Alps (Long Beach)
Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca
Nurburgring Grand Prix Short Circuit (Belle Isle)
Sunset Peninsula Raceway (Kansas Speedway)
Le Mans Circuit de la Sarthe (teams of 3 all to score points)
Maple Valley (Warkins Glen)
Silverstone International Circuit ( Mosport)
Indianapolis Motor Speedway
Road America
Circuit de Catalunya (VIR)
Suzuka Circuit (COTA)
Road Atlanta
Nurburgring Nordschleife (2x points)

***LeMans*** Teams of 2 to 3 racers must be created in a car that is currently being fielded by one of the team members.  The PI of the car for the weekend will be the Average PI for the 2 or 3 racers of this weekends team.  Each Driver will Do a stint until 3 stints are completed and at completion of the 3 stints the times will be combined to get a final finish time. 1 driver cannot do more than 1 stint consecutively. Teams may be commingled if necessary to acquire a 2 to 3 man team for this race only. Livery must be the same across the team as will be the race number for this race only. (more info to clarify will be on the website pending updates)

HELP OPENINGS
FSCS Marketing Manager - A full season position -
Responsibilities:
* Market the series through various forums. Examples would be the Forza 4 Forums, IFCA forums, etc.
* Bring the series more exposure and bring new talent to the series
* Be creative in marketing the series
\ Please Inform Series Admin if your interested Thank You /

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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:12 am

I dont mean to sound rude, but you chose P1 cars...? Or am i crazy? The USCS said that the DP's were given a power boost to keep up with P2's and that they are supposed to run together and run the same times...? Are we following that format? P2 cars in forza are like 950's PI and PC's are 913pi (i think).
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:13 am

I was doing a little side testing, just for curiosity's sake, and I noticed that the Chevrolet FLM09s were about a second or so faster than the Mosler, but neither had any tuning done to it. I would be willing to bet that on most tracks the FLM09s and the Mosler (couldn't say about the Koenigsegg) would be about on par and would have a good battle. Just putting that out there, maybe we can consider running P1 and DP/PC?
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:55 am

Good question I was thinking too Saint.  Here's what I found awhile back in my own attempt to equalize DP's vs P2's

Daytona Prototype’s
Mosler R1-892
Ultima GTR R1-883
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#99 Chevrolet FLM09 R1-919

Radical SR8 RX R1-910

What’s cool about these cars is that they do mirror the real cars relative performance.  The DP’s are way faster, and the P2’s handle way better.  The Mosler looks like a DP Vette and even has a Vette motor.  The Ultima is a Chevy too, but looks like the older DP’s.  The FLM09 is actually in the USCC as is the Radical.

They are on my storefront if you want to try them out at Sunset P. Reverse (our Daytona)
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:19 am

One other thing is the Daytona track substitute should be Sunset P. Reverse not forward because Daytona is a counter clockwise track like SPR.
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:42 pm

I was testing a little bit the DP cars, and they dont match the LMP's.   So I think we have here a multiclass series for Saturday.
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:02 pm

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I was testing a little bit the DP cars, and they dont match the LMP's.   So I think we have here a multiclass series for Saturday.

Yes, even the Mosler and the Koenigsegg aren't quite close enough either. It's not easy to test, especially in this class. 

I did a 10 lap run in each car at Sunset P. Reverse and the Mosler was almost a full second quicker. And that's just not close enough to be fair.  When testing you have to be within .2sec a lap for the cars to be equal.

Sunset P. Reverse 10 lap test full down force

Mosler R2-850 1:22.609
Koenigsegg CCGT R2-858 1:23.412

I tested a Ferrari FXX R2-865 that ran closer to the Koenig with a 1:23.935 but even it isn't close enough to be right.

I'll run this test with the cars I tested a few months back plus a couple more and see how close they are.  I'm thinking they are closer than these three and can be used to compete against each other in the same class just as the real series is doing.
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:27 pm

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Good question I was thinking too Saint.  Here's what I found awhile back in my own attempt to equalize DP's vs P2's

Daytona Prototype’s
Mosler R1-892
Ultima GTR R1-883
vs
ALMS P2’s
#99 Chevrolet FLM09 R1-919

Radical SR8 RX R1-910

What’s cool about these cars is that they do mirror the real cars relative performance.  The DP’s are way faster, and the P2’s handle way better.  The Mosler looks like a DP Vette and even has a Vette motor.  The Ultima is a Chevy too, but looks like the older DP’s.  The FLM09 is actually in the USCC as is the Radical.

They are on my storefront if you want to try them out at Sunset P. Reverse (our Daytona)


That Chevy is PC car not a P2 car, just saying. And the Radical is neither of those.
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:08 pm

Oh I know, just sayin that they are in the real series, and could be used in this replication series.  

Problem is FM4 doesn't have very many P2 level cars, and doesn't really have any DP cars, so you have to make do with what you got.  And I think the two types of cars can be well represented in much the same way as the real series.  I'll have some serious test results done later today.  It's looking really good so far.
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:13 pm

When i heard about a DP i was hoping there was something closer to the other chassis. The DP Corvette is perfectly represented by the Mossler though.
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:29 pm

Give the Mosler a bit  more PI then. However, during my testing I was getting better lap times in the Mosler than I was in the Koeniggseg.  The Mosler handles and feels more stable to me, more confident while driving it. The Koeniggseg was very temperamental so I was not as comfortable pushing it. This is exactly why we have a PI balancing system because each of us have different styles and what cars suit us better.

The P/DP class is under further evaluation


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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:22 pm

Well Pred to think of it like i remember them saying back before in real life, the Corvette is more stable and handles better but those Riley's would pull soooo hard on the straights. (cough cough... Ultima Wink )

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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:54 pm

Okay, that was some major work.  Thought the cars were closer to begin with when I last drove them.  I went through all the cars I could find to try to add more to each class, and managed to find 2 more that would fit.  I think this is the most you can do with the FM4 car selection and still maintain equality for the combined USCC class.  It’s at a real tricky spot on the P.I. scale and is very hard to equalize, but I did it!  Or at least as close as I can.  Now we can have a combined class just like the real series!

Not many cars to pick from, but that’s okay.  The cars themselves have very little wiggle room on the builds.  If one car is faster or slower than it should be there may not be much that can be done.  I don’t think that will be the case though.

You drivers who are faster than me will blow these times away in a few laps.  You who are slower than me will have to work harder to reach these times.  I ran each car at least 10 laps at Sunset P. Reverse, and lightly tuned each car.  I used full down force, the braking line, and TCS on all of them as a way to be more consistent.  Traction control is allowed in the real series, and I think it should be allowed with these cars.  They are hard enough to handle with TCS let alone without.

Very unique car group not seen before, and they behave like the real life cars.  The designated DP cars are very fast on top and hairy in the corners, and the designated ALMS P2 cars are killer in the corners but dog slow on top speed.  Even so, as you can see I managed to run all of them to within 0.2sec of each other, but boy do they all do a lap differently!  

The Zonda got the fastest time, but required the most effort to do so.  Not because it’s a handful but because it needs you to push her so hard.  The Ultima is the opposite.  You have to hang on, and feather the throttle mostly.  The Mosler is in-between but always begging you to go faster.  The FLM as most of you know is as intense as you want to be with it.  You have to stand on the throttle and avoid the brakes everywhere.  The older Porsche is very composed and balanced with a fine feel.  The Radical, is well, radical.  It’s very tune sensitive and requires more of a on-throttle style, because lifting the throttle will get her tail wagging.  All of these tunes are on my storefront now.
 


Daytona Prototype’s
1.2008 Koenigsegg CCGT R1-903 1:20.658
2.2010 Zonda R R1-880 1:20.670
3.2012 Ultima GTR R1-882 1:20.733
4. 2010 Mosler R1-880 1:20.875


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ALMS P2’s
1.2010 #99 Chevrolet FLM09 R1-919 1:20.725
2. 1998 #26 Porsche 911 GT1 R1-891 1:20.762
3. 2011 Radical SR8 RX R1-906 1:20.795


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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:44 pm

The Koeniggseg belongs in the DP list GT Don.

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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:45 pm

Those are seriously close times
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:50 pm

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The Koeniggseg belongs in the DP list GT Don.

Yeah that would make for an odd number. I thought 3 of each was good. I can test out the K car if you think it should be in the mix.
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:23 pm

i was hoping to see the P1's or P2 cars tbh. I would run the Alpine Honda in a heart beat
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:11 am

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The Koeniggseg belongs in the DP list GT Don.

Okay Pred here you go, 2008 Koenigsegg CCGT R1-903 1:20.658, fastest of the bunch, but a real beast.  Very hard to get it into the high 1:20s.  Took longer than the others, had to tune quite bit of tire slide out of it.  It's got the velocity of the Ultima, but with a heavy feel. Tune is on my storefront.
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:17 am

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i was hoping to see the P1's or P2 cars tbh. I would run the Alpine Honda in a heart beat

Me too, but the lower P1 cars are just too fast to use for this.  I tried, believe me.  I tried every slow P1 and tried to make them as slow as possible, and they were still too fast for the DP wannabe cars.  But I like the result, it's not perfect but it does have some resemblance to the real matchups.  Especially in the way they perform against each other.
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:45 am

"Lower P1" lol P2*
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:57 am

The CCGT is really challenging to drive, but can make close time to the Mosler.  I´ve been testing around Sunset normal, and the diference with the Mosler is only 5 tenths of a second.

1:23,3 (MT 900)
1:23,8 (CCGT)


I´ll try them today at Reverse.




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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:00 am

AAR GTDon wrote:



Daytona Prototype’s
1.2008 Koenigsegg CCGT R1-903 1:20.658
2.2010 Zonda R R1-880 1:20.670
3.2012 Ultima GTR R1-882 1:20.733
4. 2010 Mosler R1-880 1:20.875


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1.2010 #99 Chevrolet FLM09 R1-919 1:20.725
2. 1998 #26 Porsche 911 GT1 R1-891 1:20.762
3. 2011 Radical SR8 RX R1-906 1:20.795



I like how this looks like!
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:01 am

Only have time to run STnext season AWD may be fun. And I'm going to miss CT.
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:05 am

Manuel CR wrote:
The CCGT is really challenging to drive, but can make close time to the Mosler.  I´ve been testing around Sunset normal, and the diference with the Mosler is only 5 tenths of a second.

1:23,3 (MT 900)
1:23,8 (CCGT)


I´ll try them today at Reverse.




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Try the versions I built off my storefront. They are closer in performance only 0.2sec apart depending on driver and track.
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PostSubject: Re: Season 12 Schedule / REVEAL / INFO   Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:06 am

EZT Sabre wrote:
Only have time to run STnext season AWD may be fun. And I'm going to miss CT.

I´m going to miss CT too, I´ll focus on DP/LMP on Saturday, ST early Sunday and GT or GTR later.
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