SEASON 9 RACE 15 NURBURGIRING GT/GS 17 LAPS - ST 7 LAPS

After turn 3 its a race. Lag, crash, it would not matter.
ALSO THIS WOULD NOT apply to the racer who single hand-idly took themselves out with a crash and no other racer.

Hmm i mean look at it this way we all know in at least *one* lobby at Sebring there will be someone that blows through the hairpin and force a restart. I say before the leader of the class finishes their first flying lap. In a perfect world there would be no restarts and sure in real life you dont see these guys screwing up and getting a fresh car but this is forza after all. People need to get their arse under control so that way they dont cause an issue on the first lap but they just see cars and they think "omfg guys i need to pass them all before they get away"... its a 2 hour-ish race you will catch them pass them or beat them if you run a good race the firt corner wont win the race only end it.

Admin/PredatorUSMC wrote:

After turn 3 its a race. Lag, crash, it would not matter.
ALSO THIS WOULD NOT apply to the racer who single hand-idly took themselves out with a crash and no other racer.

ermm.... bounds of reason Pred. No zero tolerance policies work or make sense. it honestly comes down to a situation on situation basis.

I am all for no restarts. I have run several series that run this way regardless of lag. IT WORKS. If we do this after turn three deal though, is that for gt or gs? Many times gt will crash before gs even starts their race.

Honestly if you see somebody lagging, I don't see why you wouldn't back off a bit and wait for it to settle down (it normally does) before making a move. Or at least alert the person that they are lagging, and try and see if they will let you by. I know it might cost you a bit of time...but isn't it better than getting your car destroyed? I've been behind a couple people who were lagging badly, but I waited a couple laps and it settled down and I was able to get by, Then again I wasn't really competiting for a win/championship so I guess cases do change.

Zenrad wrote:

Honestly if you see somebody lagging, I don't see why you wouldn't back off a bit and wait for it to settle down (it normally does) before making a move. Or at least alert the person that they are lagging, and try and see if they will let you by. I know it might cost you a bit of time...but isn't it better than getting your car destroyed? I've been behind a couple people who were lagging badly, but I waited a couple laps and it settled down and I was able to get by, Then again I wasn't really competiting for a win/championship so I guess cases do change.

Agreed

Restarts aren't need most of the time the last restart is the cleanest because everyone knows there isn't any more so if you get rid of them people will have to learn not to push and cause a wreck. At road america a few year back the leader blew a oil line on the green flag 6 or so cars wreck in the oil before they even got to the start line they didn't get a restart just a head start home.

Peer maybe you could do a poll and see no restarts or restart.

I think a full lap is too much to give. How about we set a time stamp? 1 minute in to the race and no restarts. Since GT gets to the 1 minute first it would be a GT minute and a little less for GS.

Same for ST and SPEC weather they run multi-class or separate.

Or we do no restarts and racers will forced to drive more sensibly on the first corners and laps.

Hiredgun308 wrote:

Peer maybe you could do a poll and see no restarts or restart.

Not sure who 'Peer' is firedpun but the poll idea was good and a poll has been started.

Don't want to interrupt the discussion on restarts, (I think it's fine the way it is. I bet most real life race car drivers would have restarts if they could, but no restarts would be do-able too.) but I just wanted to say: great pictures as always NoBrakes! I'm glad I got to see some of the red car before the season was over.

Zenrad wrote:

Honestly if you see somebody lagging, I don't see why you wouldn't back off a bit and wait for it to settle down (it normally does) before making a move. Or at least alert the person that they are lagging, and try and see if they will let you by. I know it might cost you a bit of time...but isn't it better than getting your car destroyed? I've been behind a couple people who were lagging badly, but I waited a couple laps and it settled down and I was able to get by, Then again I wasn't really competiting for a win/championship so I guess cases do change.

I have no problem waiting. Normally I ask them to pull over. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. It is when gt cars catch you and then lag slam the Boo boo out of you that it sucks.

Dr PiiHB wrote:

Zenrad wrote:

Honestly if you see somebody lagging, I don't see why you wouldn't back off a bit and wait for it to settle down (it normally does) before making a move. Or at least alert the person that they are lagging, and try and see if they will let you by. I know it might cost you a bit of time...but isn't it better than getting your car destroyed? I've been behind a couple people who were lagging badly, but I waited a couple laps and it settled down and I was able to get by, Then again I wasn't really competiting for a win/championship so I guess cases do change.

I have no problem waiting. Normally I ask them to pull over. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. It is when gt cars catch you and then lag slam the Boo boo out of you that it sucks.

catching someone or being caught by someone is one thing, its when a laging car wants to race door to door with you thats the problem....

SaintedPlacebo4 wrote:

Dr PiiHB wrote:

Zenrad wrote:

Honestly if you see somebody lagging, I don't see why you wouldn't back off a bit and wait for it to settle down (it normally does) before making a move. Or at least alert the person that they are lagging, and try and see if they will let you by. I know it might cost you a bit of time...but isn't it better than getting your car destroyed? I've been behind a couple people who were lagging badly, but I waited a couple laps and it settled down and I was able to get by, Then again I wasn't really competiting for a win/championship so I guess cases do change.

I have no problem waiting. Normally I ask them to pull over. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. It is when gt cars catch you and then lag slam the Boo boo out of you that it sucks.

catching someone or being caught by someone is one thing, its when a laging car wants to race door to door with you thats the problem....

That is exactly my point.

As someone who seems to lag more than others (freakin' roommates and their youtube and netflix during a race...) it's a terrible feeling, knowing that you can screw up someone else's race, through not really any fault of your own--I get where you guys are coming from. I feel like the restart system in place works fine, but I still think that people push their cars a bit too much on the first few corners (I also feel that this would not be a problem if all FM4 cars weren't made of glass) to only gain a couple of seconds. That can possibly change a race outcome, but from what I've seen, trying too hard too early usually just leads to damage. Then, I believe that restarts within the first minute or 2 laps or 3 turns or whatever should be done only due to lag, and if it's a problem then the lagging driver should be moved to the back of the class, regardless of starting position.

On another note I took this picture of raceboy77 in his natural guise.

^Haha I love this

Lol

FYI piihb. The second restart wasn't lag. It was your team mate being impatient and using the caddie as a battering ram down a straight. I felt really bad for tach on that one. Roscoe ran him off the road, at the same time ran himself off the road and drive back on the track into the side if my car.

Is this were you wanna be when Jesus comes back picking on lil ole roscoe????
Ps get your head rite....i didmy hit you killa and each blocked then breaked early i already said it was my fault and if you wanna run your cakehole sister you better have something more then conjecture because though i might not be as fast be sure i have no problem....t;"-'(! ;()/ ?);"@'' '() o; :;() "'( teammates!!!!
AND THATS NEIN SHIZA!!!

Raceboy has such a well groomed kitty

Wow...really roscoe? I stated what happened. If that makes you upset, your problem.

ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:

Is this were you wanna be when Jesus comes back picking on lil ole roscoe????
Ps get your head rite....i didmy hit you killa and each blocked then breaked early i already said it was my fault and if you wanna run your cakehole sister you better have something more then conjecture because though i might not be as fast be sure i have no problem....t;"-'(! ;()/ ?);"@'' '() o; :;() "'( teammates!!!!
AND THATS NEIN SHIZA!!!

I am assuming "each" means me.... For my part, I did not try to block anyone, I was just trying to run my race and keep out of the way of the guys trying to thread their way through the pack. Sorry if I braked early and threw you off, but it's not exactly ideal to have a bunch of faster drivers trying to get past you so quickly, definitely creates some stress.... It's unfortunate that it took me finally having to just run on the shoulder during the second restart and let people go by, but I guess that's what was required.

I understand the logic of the reverse order, but I am thinking in practice it might just be better to give the faster drivers clear air out the gate....

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You didn't break super early. I expect the "no offence" slower guys to brake earlier. That us one if the reasons why your slower. But the down hill straight isn't really 2 lanes, so him running into you wasn't really called for from what I seen from behind. It would have been a penalty if there wasn't a restart. So inturn your welcome roscoe.

In all honesty it isn't all that nice being a slower driver at the front. It makes me quite nervous as somebody who isnt really any competition to most of the guys to have to try and "race" them. I wound up just letting everybody by. I'd rather start in the back and race at my own pace than be up front and hold everybody up/mess everybody up.