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PostSubject: Season 6 Race 5 Mugello 40 Laps Dec. 4th 5PM PST   Season 6 Race 5 Mugello 40 Laps  Dec. 4th 5PM PST Icon_minitimeWed Nov 30, 2011 2:34 am

Sunday December 4th 5pm PST- Mugello, Italy
For the fifth race of the Forza Sports Car Series we travel to Mugello, Italy to the flowing curves and elevation changes of Mugello Autodromo Internazionale del Mugello. As one of the test tracks to Ferrari Scuderia F1 team you can expect a track that is not only fast but demands everything from the cars ...speed, handling, braking, and balance. With such names as RRR Red Rotor, CrAzYIWhItEIBoY, hot shot 330 p4, PrOnebird & xXScienceXx to have won races here history is sure to be made!

PIT WINDOW BETWEEN LAPS 5 - 30.

Qualifying can begin now. Contact a series official or room host to qualify...

Example time 1:55.759 McLaren MP4-12C (740PI)


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PostSubject: Re: Season 6 Race 5 Mugello 40 Laps Dec. 4th 5PM PST   Season 6 Race 5 Mugello 40 Laps  Dec. 4th 5PM PST Icon_minitimeThu Dec 01, 2011 3:19 pm

I will be doing Qualify rooms between 6pm - 8pm ET tonight and then will be on after 11pm for those that like to qualify at night
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What lap time are we going to have to lay down to get into room A? I haven't been practicing with anyone this week, so I have no idea what the practice times look like.
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PostSubject: Re: Season 6 Race 5 Mugello 40 Laps Dec. 4th 5PM PST   Season 6 Race 5 Mugello 40 Laps  Dec. 4th 5PM PST Icon_minitimeThu Dec 01, 2011 6:18 pm

An example time is right there in first post.
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i will not be able to host any rooms at all because my internet provider is being lame and not working fast to reboot it could be until monday before i have internet...btw im posting from my phone
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snowman529 wrote:
What lap time are we going to have to lay down to get into room A? I haven't been practicing with anyone this week, so I have no idea what the practice times look like.

A room will like be mid-high 1.51s to 153s or 1.54s
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Chenstrap wrote:
snowman529 wrote:
What lap time are we going to have to lay down to get into room A? I haven't been practicing with anyone this week, so I have no idea what the practice times look like.

A room will like be mid-high 1.51s to 153s or 1.54s

Don't say that cuz that might put me in "A" Room LOL! Very Happy
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KikRox268 wrote:
Chenstrap wrote:
snowman529 wrote:
What lap time are we going to have to lay down to get into room A? I haven't been practicing with anyone this week, so I have no idea what the practice times look like.

A room will like be mid-high 1.51s to 153s or 1.54s

Don't say that cuz that might put me in "A" Room LOL! Very Happy

if you are running below 1.54s you willl be in A Room LOL
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Basicblaq wrote:
KikRox268 wrote:
Chenstrap wrote:
snowman529 wrote:
What lap time are we going to have to lay down to get into room A? I haven't been practicing with anyone this week, so I have no idea what the practice times look like.

A room will like be mid-high 1.51s to 153s or 1.54s

Don't say that cuz that might put me in "A" Room LOL! Very Happy

if you are running below 1.54s you willl be in A Room LOL

LOL. Gotta work on getting those consistent then. But, so you're looking at low to mid 1.56s being middle "B" Room then?
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Times are starting to roll in.
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Might have to do a pre-race. I have a couple questions for it.
May I do it myself considering that I was room host a couple times already?
How many AI cars have to be on the track?
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TheManNowDog777 wrote:
Might have to do a pre-race. I have a couple questions for it.
May I do it myself considering that I was room host a couple times already?
How many AI cars have to be on the track?

Most ppl who do a pre-race do it by themselves so the answer to your question is yes.

here is setup info for a pre-race

https://forzascs.forumotion.net/t434-qualifying-race-pre-race-room-set-up
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I might have to do a prerace as well, I didn't realize the saints game wasn't at noon and is actually at 7pm CST aka 5pm PST. I'm going to be working late tomorrow...I'll try to get in a qualifying time later tonight and possibly do a prerace later after that.
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Not sure about whether I will be able to race either. It's a bit of a crunch time at University and I don't think its wise spending too much time playing games right now.
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Wow! It's been really quiet this week! We might all be in the a room if people keep preracing! Lol
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Cia2004 won't be making the race
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Yeah, this week is a bit odd. It has been a bit quite.
I do think as it happens every season (we do have more of a real season) rookies join and we have about 10-15% don't make it past the first race. Then we loose another 15% that since they can't dominate they quit. Then we have the 2 or 3 that quit for miscellaneous reasons and another 3-5 that just can't handle endurance racing. Then as the season goes on we loose another 4-6. The retention rate of veterans is about 85% and the retention rate of rookies is about 40%. Endurance racing to a set of governing rules is not for everyone. This weeds out the impostors and leaves us with the racers...That's why we grow and get stronger each season.
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Current qualifying standing up as of 8:38AM PST
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yeah the spread of qual times is definately larger this week (polls is probably low 1.53s, high 1.52s, last place in A lobby will probably be about 1.55.0)
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From Turn 10:

  • "In addition, we’ve also addressed the issues with countersteering when playing with the 900-degree wheel. Previously while countersteering, the 900-degree wheel was inadvertently being mapped as a 270-degree wheel -– effectively a 3:1 ratio. This had nothing to do with simulation versus normal steering or speed-sensitive steering. This was a mapping bug.

    After some intensive play-testing internally, we were able to completely isolate the countersteering bug identified by the community and have implemented a fix that keeps the wheel mapped as a 900-degree wheel under all conditions. The result of this change will be more consistent steering and countersteering, though catching a car when getting loose in corner will require more wheel input and better timing. In essence, it’s even more realistic than before and I believe it will add an even greater simulation challenge for our most advanced drivers."


I just tried it this morning and my car is a completely different beast. Countersteering is a different ballgame now. I've always liked my car a little loose but this makes for a lot of work work. Back to practicing/tuning...
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Qualifying up to date as of 12:26PM PST
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QUALIFYING IS COMPLETE. Times posted on the website.
MUGELLO Qualifying Results

Congrats to Sniper919 for his first Pole Position in the Forza Sports Car Series.
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Claude Frollo wrote:
I just tried it this morning and my car is a completely different beast. Countersteering is a different ballgame now. I've always liked my car a little loose but this makes for a lot of work work. Back to practicing/tuning...

I've done more testing and arrive to the following conclusions:

-The steering response/ratio does not change when you countersteer.

-The ratio is however not linear. In other words, it seems to be overboosted around dead center.

The change to the countersteering mechanics/code now accentuates the non-linear nature of the steering. This is why the car feels unresponsive as you countersteer beyond 90 degrees -- requiring a lot more wheel rotation. It is also the reason we are loosing our car as they start to drift. Whereas previously we could save the car thanks to the stepped-up ratio (masking the effects of the non-liner ratio), now additional steering input beyond a certain point translate into minimal rotation of steering axis.

After some experimentation, I've been able to compensate for some of the effects of the update by reducing steering sensitivity to 700 degees (from 900 degrees) and increasing the linearity value to 10 percent (from 00 percent).

I guess we will eventually adapt to the new steering scheme, but as of now it feels like its broken.

As we go into tonight's race, I'm just shooting to survive what feels like a car possesed by the ghost of Spurtle. Wink

EDIT: Linearity value updated to increase off center feel/responsiveness.


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Wont be makin it this week. had some stuff come up today. i will see you guys next week though
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46 Racers, 40 laps...Mugello here we come.

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